On Feb 12, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Stefan Winter <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe there should be two (or more) drafts instead:

  I support that.

> If you can follow my line of thinking to this point, let's take it even
> one step further: we are now discussing a larger effort, involving
> multiple RFCs, taking an existing technology to a level it wasn't
> before. This is usually much rather a job for a working group in its own
> right, with a charter detailing which work happens when; not a job for a
> one-shot effort in the opsawg.

  I believe that a new WG would be required here.

  From the OPSAWG charter: 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/opsawg/charter/

    " It is not within the scope of the OPSAWG to pick up failed WG work ..."

  From the AAA WG milestones

https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/aaa/charter/

Done      Submission of evaluation document as an Informational RFC.
Done    Submission of requirements document as an Informational RFC.

  i.e. RFC 2989 and RFC 3127.

  I would argue that TACACS+ (the AAA protocol) is a failed WG item.  It was 
deemed insufficient by the AAA WG in 2001.

  If the argument is that TACACS+ is *not* an AAA protocol, and is instead a 
management protocol, then the document (#2 in Stefan's suggestion) should be 
updated to state that.  Further, development of new IETF standard protocols 
would also seem to be outside of the charter of the OPSAWG:

    The focus of the work will be on topics that govern the behavior or WGs
    in the O&M area (e.g., manageability requirements) and on small, 
    highly focused projects that don't merit a WG of their own or belong 
    to WGs that have already concluded (e.g. advancement of documents on 
    the standards track, application statements, extensions of MIB 
    modules).

  TACACS+ *may* be considered a "small, highly focussed project", but it 
definitely doesn't meet any of the other criteria.

  And I would argue that documenting a network administration protocol (new to 
the IETF) is not a "small, highly focussed project".  It's a serious effort 
which requires more than a review by OPSAWG, which has many other priorities.

  Alan DeKok.

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