Hi Richard, I agree with your point, in order to meet those operators expectation, the draft may need to be updated and reflect that architecture. Regarding to solution, that will be great, thanks a lot for your contribution to IETF if there is any proof of concept to this. thanks a lot for your suggestion Best regards, DENG Hui
From: chen...@huawei.com To: denghu...@hotmail.com; firstname.lastname@example.org CC: opsawg-cha...@ietf.org Subject: 答复: [OPSAWG] draft-deng-opsawg-composed-vpn-sm-requirements-01.txt Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:27:14 +0000 Hi Hui, Thanks for these clarifications. Maybe we can talk about it more in next meeting and we can provide a initial solution around these issues. BTW, if we talking about federation used in multiple operators scenarios, I suggest that there should be east-west interface between peer orchestration system in these operators. That ease-west interface is different with internal E2E service activation interface for some special requirement between operators, such as security, resource visualization,etc. Thanks, Richard 华为技术有限公司 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. 地址：深圳市龙岗区坂田华为基地 邮编：518129 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. 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If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! 发件人: Hui Deng [mailto:denghu...@hotmail.com] 发送时间: 2016年10月10日 23:15 收件人: Chenrui (Richard); email@example.com 抄送: opsawg-cha...@ietf.org 主题: RE: [OPSAWG] draft-deng-opsawg-composed-vpn-sm-requirements-01.txt Hi Richard, Thanks a lot for your comments, I recalled that other two operators during last time f2f meeting had made some comments about federation issue, hope they can elaborate more detail comments here as well, inline with ==> From: chen...@huawei.com To: firstname.lastname@example.org; denghu...@hotmail.com CC: opsawg-cha...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] draft-deng-opsawg-composed-vpn-sm-requirements-01.txt Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 03:35:46 +0000 Hi Hui and all, When I went through the documents of IETF#96,I noticed that this draft has raised a interesting requirement in China Mobile of E2E deployment interface to a multiple VPNs composed infrastructure, such as L2+L3 network. So the interface could make the service fulfillment and management more easy. Is my understanding right? ==> Yes, current existing L3SM are mostly talking about customer facing service model. this requirement expects to help operators with large scale to mange the underlay network with a global view. (here could be a multiple operators, that is related to federation) an enterprise customer may simply request a L3 VPN service, but operator has to provision and mange the end to end underlay network constructed with multiple ASes and techniques, and further assure the service. this is the key issue for today's operators. I do believe this interface and its model are indeed helpful for operators to simplify operations and management. And I still have some questions need to be discussed and aligned with you and experts in email thread. 1.While referring to another draft at same meeting <<service model explained>> (https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-03.txt), I believe the above E2E deployment interface should be position between service orchestration and network orchestration(Figure 3). That mean it’s a internal interface in one operator and it acts not only to implement the customer facing model (i.e. L3SM),but also to maintain, monitor and diagnose the end to end PE-based VPN services crossing multiple technologies deployed network. Is it right? and should this interface need to support VPN service which maybe cross multiple operators? ==> good point, the future in the link is quite helpful, this should be updated in next revision. ==> for your questions about multiple operators, this is exactly the issue raised during the meeting, operator are interconnected each other through federation, the end to end service may go across multiple operators' access and core network. that is the reason why we define VPN segment within the composed VPN. this hasn't been consider in the document before, but the flexibility of composed VPN framework should be included. 2.Actually I’m new guy in IETF, so I’m not sure if there are existing works in IETF which could instruct or modeling the interface/E2E-view to manage a multiple technologies composed network, which I believe very common in operator’s deployment while still need to provide simple E2E service experience to their customers. Maybe we can improve something here. So if experts here have more background, please help me. Thanks. ==> although it is important, but I didn't see any e2e effort on the network yet. there is a related work in L3SM in customer service level and some dedicated VPN models in BESS. that's why I raise this topic. definitely welcome any effort to join the following data model design if you really have a strong background on it. 3.As I understand this interface/model should be internal in operators, so I’m not sure if there any other operators are interested it and need a IETF RFC? ==> I did hear two big operators showed the interest in this topic, hope they can join as well in our next revision. this may related to network orchestrator, OSS/BSS and even analytics system from different vendors. a standard model will definitely hep the diversity in one operator's production environment. Best regards, DENG Hui Thanks. Regards, Richard Chen 华为技术有限公司 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. 地址：深圳市龙岗区坂田华为基地 邮编：518129 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. Bantian, Longgang District,Shenzhen 518129, P.R.China http://www.huawei.com 本邮件及其附件含有华为公司的保密信息，仅限于发送给上面地址中列出的个人或群组。禁 止任何其他人以任何形式使用（包括但不限于全部或部分地泄露、复制、或散发）本邮件中 的信息。如果您错收了本邮件，请您立即电话或邮件通知发件人并删除本邮件！ This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it!
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