Thank you Pascal for the feedback.
I agree with Med and, in my opinion, this can be managed easily, as also 
suggested in my review.

Regards,

Giuseppe

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Hi Pascal,
(removing IETF LC list + added opsawg).

Thanks for the follow-up with Giuseppe. I think that we need to get this right.

I saw that Janos raised similar comments 
(https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/NqTndz1P2DaGTH45JCw5O9XQQqc/), 
but failed to find where this was discussed then.

Cheers,
Med

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MAny thanks Giuseppe!

I'll be on it. It could be quite a rework you're asking at this phase of the 
process, a bit touchy to do without sending back the doc to the WG.

all the best

Pascal

Le mar. 24 juin 2025 à 13:18, Giuseppe Fioccola via Datatracker 
<nore...@ietf.org<mailto:nore...@ietf.org>> a écrit :
Document: draft-ietf-raw-architecture
Title: Reliable and Available Wireless Architecture
Reviewer: Giuseppe Fioccola
Review result: Has Issues

This document introduces the Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW)
Architecture. It leverages and extends RFC 8655 to adapt to the challenges that
affect the wireless medium. I think that the document is valuable and almost
ready for publication, but I have some comments.

The main issue, from an OPSDIR point of view, is section 2.6 on OAM variations.
Considering the ongoing discussion on draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-characterization,
it might be better to avoid general OAM definitions here. I suggest to consider
RFC 7799 and RFC 9551 for reference and include only the terms useful in the
context of this document. I would simply refer to the definitions of RFC 9551
for In-band OAM and Out-of-band OAM. In addition, I would omit new terms, e.g.
Limited OAM or Upstream OAM, which are not used in the rest of the document
and, if needed, could be taken into account for
draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-characterization.

I also found few nits for your consideration:
- Some acronyms in section 2 are well known (e.g. FEC, OAM, SNR, Uplink,
Downlink, Downstream, Upstream,...) and can be simply explained within the
text. - I suggest to move section 3.2 on "The RAW problem" earlier in the
document, perhaps after the Introduction. - Some Figures can be improved since
are not very clear, e.g. Figure 1, Figure 4, Figure 8 and Figure 10.


--
Pascal

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