Good list, very useful. Will read in these days, thanks! Cheng
-----Original Message----- From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2025 8:27 PM To: Marcos Romero <marcos.rom...@ufabc.edu.br> Cc: Nmop <n...@ietf.org>; ainet...@ietf.org; Andrew Newton (andy) <a...@hxr.us>; Orie <o...@or13.io>; ops-ads <ops-...@ietf.org>; opsawg <opsawg@ietf.org> Subject: [ainetops] Re: [NMOP] TR: New Liaison Statement, "ZSM work on Agent and Autonomy" Hi Romero, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I hear your alignment argument but I'm not comfortable communicating based on an individual draft (nothing against that draft, btw) let alone that there are other drafts that may target a similar scope. See the list I'm maintaining for my own usage at: https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-related-submission-ietf123.md. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Marcos Romero <marcos.rom...@ufabc.edu.br> Envoyé : jeudi 3 > juillet 2025 18:10 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> Cc : Nmop <n...@ietf.org>; > ainet...@ietf.org; Andrew Newton (andy) <a...@hxr.us>; Orie > <o...@or13.io>; ops-ads <ops-...@ietf.org>; opsawg <opsawg@ietf.org> > Objet : Re: [NMOP] TR: New Liaison Statement, "ZSM work on Agent and > Autonomy" > > > Dear all, > > Thanks, Med, for sharing this. > > Although the IETF work on network management agents is still in its > early stages, I believe the ongoing discussions around AI-Based > Network Management Automation (NMA) > (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw > ww.ietf.org%2Fid%2Fdraft-zhao-nmop-network-management-agent- > 01.html&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C2b9d3ec5b45e > 48c487b208ddba4c2fe5%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C63 > 8871558726361090%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlY > iOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C > 0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gD0eyj84CtyE1vDFnbGaySUvZ23LwxgCQnbiDM%2BRmzo%3D&re > served=0) > could serve as a solid starting point for potential collaboration with > ETSI ZSM on the theme of agents and autonomy. > > The alignment around agent-based approaches, intent-driven management, > and closed-loop operations seems promising. > I'd be glad to contribute to such a dialogue, should others see value > in it. > > Best regards, > Marcos L. Romero > Core Network Specialist - TIM Brazil > PhD Student in Artificial Intelligence - UFABC > linkedin.com/in/marcosromero11 > > > Em qui., 3 de jul. de 2025 às 06:39, <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> > escreveu: > > > > Hi all , > > > > Forwarding to NMOP as this is related to network management, fwiw. > Also sharing with ainetops, for information. > > > > I'm not sure we have much to say in a reply given the current work > status. Feel free to share your thoughts. Thanks. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Liaison Statement Management Tool <stateme...@ietf.org> > Envoyé : > > jeudi 3 juillet 2025 00:29 À : Benoît Claise > > <benoit.cla...@huawei.com>; Andy Newton <a...@hxr.us>; Joe Clarke > > <jcla...@cisco.com>; Mahesh Jethanandani > <mjethanand...@gmail.com>; > > BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com>; Orie > Steele <o...@or13.io> Cc : Benoît Claise <benoit.cla...@huawei.com>; > Andy Newton <a...@hxr.us>; Joe Clarke <jcla...@cisco.com>; Mahesh > Jethanandani <mjethanand...@gmail.com>; BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com>; Operations and Management Area Working > Group Discussion List <opsawg@ietf.org>; Orie Steele <o...@or13.io>; > The IETF Chair <ch...@ietf.org>; zsmsupp...@etsi.org; > liaison-coordinat...@iab.org Objet : New Liaison Statement, "ZSM work > on Agent and Autonomy" > > > > > > Title: ZSM work on Agent and Autonomy Submission Date: 2025-07-02 > > URL of the IETF Web page: > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fda > ta > > > tracker.ietf.org%2Fliaison%2F2010%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadai > r% > > > 40orange.com%7C2b9d3ec5b45e48c487b208ddba4c2fe5%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc > 48 > > > b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638871558726385485%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey > JF > > > bXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFp > bC > > > IsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7VZ5FHQpq2Ag%2FIzv1J9byoVVyAmd > bP > > 2eS9YZeOYxCOs%3D&reserved=0 > > Please reply by 2025-09-08 > > From: isg_...@list.etsi.org > > To: Joe Clarke <jcla...@cisco.com>,Benoît Claise > > <benoit.cla...@huawei.com>,Orie Steele <o...@or13.io>,Andy Newton > > <a...@hxr.us>,Mahesh Jethanandani > <mjethanand...@gmail.com>,Mohamed > > Boucadair <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> > > Cc: Joe Clarke <jcla...@cisco.com>,Benoît Claise > > <benoit.cla...@huawei.com>,Operations and Management Area Working > > Group Discussion List <opsawg@ietf.org>,Andy Newton > <a...@hxr.us>,Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanand...@gmail.com>,The IETF > Chair <ch...@ietf.org>,Orie Steele <o...@or13.io>,Mohamed Boucadair > <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> Response Contacts: > zsmsupp...@etsi.org Technical Contacts: > > Purpose: For action > > > > Body: 1. Overall description: > > The ETSI ISG Zero-touch network and Service Management (ZSM) would > like to inform you of its ongoing work in the domains of Agents and > Autonomy. This body of work is focused on advancing and guiding the > path toward network autonomy, particularly through the integration of > agent-based technologies. > > > > "ETSI ZSM 020 (Agents in Autonomous Networks)" describes how > agents can be used for network and service management, including > effective communication between agents for coordinating tasks, sharing > knowledge, and optimizing performance across various applications. > > > > "ETSI ZSM 021 (ZSM Framework from Automation to Autonomy)" > examines the gap between current work on automation and autonomy in > network management and operations. This report explores key scenarios > where increased autonomy could deliver significant value and > identifies the incremental capabilities required. These advancements > are supported by the integration of key technologies, including > agents, closed-loop automation, intent-based management, and network > digital twins. > > > > ETSI ISG ZSM would like to thank you for your consideration and > looks forward to future cooperation on these subjects. > > > > 2. Actions: > > ETSI ISG ZSM requests feedback in case you have comments or plan > to reference the above-mentioned work. We further suggest exploring > possibilities for collaboration in this area. > > > > 3. Dates of next meetings of the originator: > > ZSM#32 plenary Sep 8-10, 2025 Sophia Antipolis > > > > Besides these meetings, ETSI ISG ZSM has weekly decision-making > conference calls on Mondays. > > Attachments: > > > > > ZSM(25)000129r1_Proposed_Liaison_on_ZSM_work_on_Agent_and_Autonomy.d > ocx > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww > w. > > ietf.org%2Flib%2Fdt%2Fdocuments%2FLIAISON%2Fliaison-2025-07-02- > etsi-is > > g-zsm-ops-opsawg-art-zsm-work-on-agent-and-autonomy-attachment- > 1.docx& > > > data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C2b9d3ec5b45e48c487b2 > 08 > > > ddba4c2fe5%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638871558726 > 39 > > > 9593%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDA > wM > > > CIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sda > ta > > =sflL9vg%2Ffs7b%2B7TrHMJqZzLWbnvEaJ6UcVdDKKs2gPs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > __ > > ______________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre > diffuses, > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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