> On Jan 30, 2026, at 12:45 PM, Acee Lindem <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Inline.
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2026, at 3:08 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Acee/Qiufang,
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2026, at 4:32 AM, Acee Lindem <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Qiufang, 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> See inline. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2026, at 2:41 AM, maqiufang (A) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Acee,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the follow-up, please see below inline with [Qiufang]. My 
>>>> co-authors may chime in if they wish.
>>>> 
>>>>> I have one major concern with this document. The YANG model adds 
>>>>> generalized schedule-based ACEs, yet this is not reflected in the YANG 
>>>>> model name,  draft title, or abstract. This should at least be in a 
>>>>> separate YANG model and possibly in a separate draft since it appears 
>>>>> to have been added as an afterthought and, IMO, it is much more 
>>>>> important than the group-based access control.
>>>>> [Qiufang] Note that this is not an afterthought design, it is there when 
>>>>> the draft was -00. We split the scheduling related definition into a 
>>>>> separate I-D to define common groupings (see 
>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-schedule-yang/), based 
>>>>> on the WG feedback.
>>>>> I agree with you that the extension regarding scheduling is of great 
>>>>> importance, it addresses the requirement of “when to take effect”, 
>>>>> together with endpoint group based matching, which resolves the 
>>>>> requirement of “for whom to take effect”, they both constitutes the data 
>>>>> model, separating them could fragment the policy model. Hopefully this 
>>>>> clarifies the intention.
>>>>> To enhance the visibility of the scheduling feature, we have updated both 
>>>>> the abstract and introduction sections to reflect it explicitly.
>>>> 
>>>> Will you also have a separate YANG model? For example, 
>>>> ietf-acl-ace-sched.yang? 
>>>> [Qiufang] As clarified, creating a separate model might introduce 
>>>> unnecessary fragmentation. Note we already use if-feature to make each 
>>>> augment conditional ("match-on-group" feature for endpoint group based 
>>>> augmentation and "schedule" feature for date and time based ACLs), this 
>>>> allows the potential for reuse that a separate model could provide, 
>>>> especially for implementations that wants to support time-based ACLs 
>>>> without the complexity of endpoint group matching. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> I think quite the contrary. Hiding this important capability with a feature 
>>> into a model relating to RADIUS authentication is just wrong. 
>>> This model will need to be imported just to get the scheduled ACE 
>>> functionality. I'd like to hear what Med (Co-author) and
>>> Majesh have to say about this.
>> 
>> I am not sure if this is directed to me, as I am not Majesh :-)
> 
> That is Mahesh in Español... 

Ha ha!

> 
> 
>> 
>> The core offering of the draft is a policy-based network access control. As 
>> part of that offering, there is as you note Acce, a *capability* of being 
>> able to schedule that policy. That capability is much like the rest of the 
>> capabilities in the module, e.g., mapping of a user group to set of IP/MAC 
>> addresses. Rather than listing every capability in the Abstract, how about 
>> this as a suggested change?
> 
> Who is Acce? 😎

🤪

> 
>> 
>> Abstract:
>> 
>> The abstract anyway needs to be short and succint. It could therefore drop 
>> the second paragraph and just say:
>> 
>> "This document defines a YANG data model for policy-based network access 
>> control, which provides enforcement of network access control policies based 
>> on group identity.”
>> 
>> and then in the Introduction, where one normally starts describing the 
>> module in detail could add a sentence, (which BTW, appears later in the 
>> draft). Specifically, in the Introduction section, the paragraph that starts 
>> with “Specifically in scenarios …”, could see an addition of the following 
>> sentence at the end.
>> 
>> “Finally, it enables access control policy activation based on date and time 
>> conditions.'
> I was also thinking the scheduling should have its own YANG module, e.g., 
> ietf-acl-sched.yang, that could be imported separately since this is more 
> significant the the extension for authentication. 

You will notice that large parts of the scheduling portion of the module is an 
import of groupings from "ietf-schedule” data model which is already a separate 
module defined in draft-ietf-netmod-schedule-yang. 
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-schedule-yang-10>

Cheers.

> 
> Thanks,
> Acee
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5. How did you decide on 64 octets for the group identifier string
>>>>> maximum?
>>>>> [Qiufang] As specified in the YANG module, the “group-id” is defined as a 
>>>>> string type with a length constraint of "1..64". This is to align with 
>>>>> that.
>>>> 
>>>> Right - I'm asking how you came up with 64 octets as a limit?
>>>> [Qiufang] sorry for misunderstanding. 64 is not arbitrary, see 
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7950.html#section-6.2: "Implementations 
>>>> MUST support identifiers up to 64 characters in length and MAY support 
>>>> longer identifiers."
>>>> And also 
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-28#section-4.3:
>>>>  "All YANG identifiers in published modules MUST be between 1 and 64 
>>>> characters in length."
>>> 
>>> The references you cite are relating to YANG model identifiers, e.g, 
>>> "group-id", NOT the length of 
>>> the value of a YANG type string leaf. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6. In section 6, I would have expected the attribute to be the first
>>>>> column in table 4.
>>>>> [Qiufang] Review of RADIUS-related RFCs (e.g., RFC 8044, RFC 2865) 
>>>>> reveals no mandatory requirement that the attribute column be placed as 
>>>>> the first column in the table. Since the table focuses solely on the 
>>>>> single attribute "User-Access-Group-ID"—with no need to distinguish 
>>>>> between multiple attributes—placing the attribute column last does not 
>>>>> obscure the key information.
>>>>> There are also some input received from RADEXT WG, see some previous 
>>>>> discussion at : 
>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/opsawg/EWuvlu623PgapTPSB4s8LM6lc5M/.
>>>> 
>>>> But English is normally left-to-right and one would expect the attribute 
>>>> to be in the first column. 
>>>> [Qiufang] Thanks, Acee. I don’t really have a strong feeling regarding 
>>>> this. While I checked some existing RFCs that register the RADIUS 
>>>> attribute type from "Radius Attribute Types", it seems that most of the 
>>>> RFCs put the attribute as the last column, e.g., 
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5176#section-3.6, 
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8658#Table3, 
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5090#section-5, and  
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9445#table-1, perhaps aligning 
>>>> with existing RFCs would help improve consistency?
>>> 
>>> Ok, You can leave it if there are other places where it is backwards. 
>>> 
>>> THanks,
>>> Acee
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Qiufang
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mahesh Jethanandani
>> [email protected]


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