Hi Fernando,

I am struggling to understand the gap this draft fills.

We read "In many cases, as a result, deployments have been underwhelming in 
both quantity and quality, and the Internet is noted for its problems with 
security.", but I wouldn't say firewall deployments are underwhelming in 
quality and quantity. I believe FW are very ubiquitous in today's networks. 
Were you referring to something else?

Also I am not sure about what the "bickering on the topic" refers to. 

Finally, with all the "NGFW" products and features out there that section 4 
could include many more kinds of fws. Same for section 5. 

In general, I think that the draft covers legacy firewalls mostly, not all the 
modern fw features that exist today and I am not sure if it tries to convince 
readers about their need (because I don't think in today's world firewalling 
functionality can be rejected as unnecessary by anyone)

Panos



-----Original Message-----
From: OPSEC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernando Gont
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Internet Area; '[email protected]'; TSV Area; tsvwg; IPv6 Operations
Subject: [OPSEC] "On Firewalls in Internet Security" (Fwd: New Version 
Notification for draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis-00.txt)

Folks,

We have published an I-D entitled "On Firewalls in Internet Security".
The I-D is available at:
<https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis-00.txt>.

Our I-D covers a broad range of topics (ranging from operations to internet and 
transport area topics) -- hence the crosspost of this announcement to multiple 
mailing-lists.

While we (co-authors) are subscribed to most of the lists to which this 
announcement is being crossposted, we expect (for the sake of unifying the 
discussion in a single place) the discussion to happen in the [email protected] 
mailing-list.

Your feedback will be very welcome.

Thanks!

Best regards,
Fernando




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: New Version Notification for
draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis-00.txt
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 17:49:41 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: Paul E. Hoffman <[email protected]>, Fernando Gont 
<[email protected]>, Fernando Gont <[email protected]>, Fred Baker 
<[email protected]>, Fred Baker <[email protected]>, Paul Hoffman 
<[email protected]>


A new version of I-D, draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Fernando Gont and posted to the IETF 
repository.

Name:           draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis
Revision:       00
Title:          On Firewalls in Internet Security
Document date:  2015-09-15
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          17
URL:
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis-00.txt
Status:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis/
Htmlized:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-opsawg-firewalls-analysis-00


Abstract:
   This document analyzes the role of firewalls in Internet security,
   and suggests a line of reasoning about their usage.  It analyzes
   common kinds of firewalls and the claims made for them.





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