On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:39:56AM -0700, Jim wrote: > > > arshad wrote: > > hi all, > > forgive me for my ignorance. > > may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from > > government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction > > by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? > > I can't speak for all governments but it might be relevant to point out > that onion routing started (as I understand it -- anybody, feel free to > correct) as a project of the U.S. Navy and was used by the various > branches of the U.S armed forces to use the Internet anonymously. > Trouble was, that although their targets could not tell *exactly* who > was visiting their website, they could tell it was U.S. military. So, > as I understand it, they released the technology so they could hide > among the civilians. > > Even within a particular govt you can have conflicting goals. Part may > wish to prevent its citizens from being anonymous while another part may > find it useful to use civilians for cover. > > Just my speculation ...
I'm not speaking for any government, including my employer or my funders, but I can say something about why we, the inventors of onion routing and designers of Tor, did what we did. We were as explicit as possible as to what we intended and why with funders, management and others. Presumably some of it was agreeable since we received support. The above is largely correct, so I am only clarifying where I thought there was room for misinterpretation. The primary purpose for which we proposed and designed onion routing networks (including Tor, which started life in some of my NRL onion routing projects) was to separate identification from routing, as we note in the first onion routing publication "Hiding Routing Information" in 1996 and at www.onion-router.net. Jim's speculation on the above cited motivation was not something we ran across through experience but rather a design motivation from the very beginning. We argued fifteen years ago that to protect private traffic when going to and from a public network you needed to carry traffic for others not just yourself, which meant that they had to trust the network, which meant that you had to diffuse trust by letting others run part of the infrastructure and that you had to let them see the code. I think this is essentially stated in our early onion routing publications. This was also part of the reason we sought and received our first publication release for public distribution of onion routing code in 1996. We were open source before that phrase was in general use. My comments apply only to the funding I received and the motivations we had. Other later goals of, e.g., censorship resistance and other funding of Tor I have not been part of and should let others comment. HTH, Paul *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to [email protected] with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
