FYI, This is from the ODTUG listserv. It talks about Cherokee, Forms 7 not supporting client/server, Sedona... Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst�mes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R�gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- From: Bala Nemani [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] <mailto:[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L Subject: RE: Oracle Application Development Tools - Statement of Direction Good Email Michael. Though it gives negative opinion on dropping products (Sedona), it makes sense if you think in longer run. The way technology changes, sometimes it is mandatory to take such actions. Sedona is developed with notion of client heavy (C++ on client) and Oracle has dropped it because of the thin client/internet architecture. It is better to drop it prior to hitting market than after.... On the other hand I like to hear Duncan's inside information on Project Cherokee prior to a conclusion on Cherokee. I agree with you on #2. Take the XML implementation (iFS) in the Database as an example. Both are implemented in Java and Oracle has written few wrapper PL/SQL packages to access native Java XML parser. In a longer run, I would not say forms is going away but, you will be writing Java inside forms and all that good stuff. #5 is interesting comment too. Unless Designer Repository is linked to Jdeveloper IDE, I kind of agree with your comment. Thanks -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 5:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L Direction Thanks for a little clarity, Bill; even if it's overloaded with Marketing-speak. Of course, this is the line of the time; in 6 months, who knows. Quick summation and filtering of marketing-speak: 1) Cherokee is dead; quit dreaming. It goes to the same graveyard as Sedona. 2) Java and XML are it; Forms lives only for Apps (Big O hasn't figured out how to convert themselves). The Forms and PL/SQL skillsets will fade to black (albeit slowly in App shops; Apps will probably fade faster). [P.S. Forms 7 is slated *not* to support Client-server deployment; be ready out there!] 3) Given this, you *will* have to 'take control' of the client browser, to ensure they are up-to-date (but not too up-to-date) to handle your applications, whether Jar files or XML implementations. 4) Generation of applications from Designer is on the way out; modeling only. Back to the great dis-association of the functional models from the actual application code. 5) The repository's future purpose will be as a high-dollar replacement for PVCS, SourceSafe, etc. All of this wouldn't bother me as much if I'd heard of *one* major internet site primarily done with either Forms and/or JDeveloper. And, as far as I know, the ODTUG site has the most complete Portal implementation to date outside of Oracle. I hope somebody will alleviate my ignorance if this is not true, and list real sites who are currently using this stuff (outside of Oracle itself). > -----Original Message----- > From: William Dwight [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] <mailto:[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:26 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L > Subject: Oracle Application Development Tools - Statement of > Direction > > > Oracle Application Development Tools > > > > Statement of Direction, April 2001 > > > > Oracle9i is the first complete and integrated software solution for > > developing and deploying the next generation of Internet applications > that > > can be delivered as online services. Oracle9i consists of the Oracle9i > > Database, the Oracle9i Application Server, and the Oracle9i Developer > > Suite. Oracle9i offers unified support for Java, XML, HTML, SQL, and > > PL/SQL. It supports all of the latest J2EE APIs - such as Servlets 2.2, > > JSP 1.1, JMS 1.0.2 and EJB 1.1 - and all the latest XML standards - such > > as XML Schema, DOM and SAX 2.0, and SOAP 1.1. > > > > Oracle9i Developer Suite > > > > In keeping with the overall Oracle9i strategy, Oracle9i Developer Suite > > provides the most complete and integrated development environment for > > building Internet web applications and services. Oracle9i Developer > Suite > > includes the following components: > > > > Application Development > > - Oracle JDeveloper > > - Oracle Forms Developer > > - Oracle Designer > > Business Intelligence > > - Oracle Discoverer Administration Edition > > - Oracle Reports Developer > > Enterprise Portals > > - Oracle Portal > > Software Configuration Management > > - Oracle Repository > > > > Application Development > > > > From an application development perspective, the strategic direction is > to > > provide a single Integrated Development Environment (IDE) that offers > > complete support for: > > > > Any language > > - Java, XML, HTML, SQL, PL/SQL > > Any operating system > > - Windows, Unix, Linux > > Any development style > > - UML modeling, RAD/4GL, component-based, 3GL > > Any of the latest Internet standards > > - J2EE, XML, SOAP > > Any phase of the development lifecycle > > - Design, implementation, compilation, debugging, deployment, > performance > > and memory tuning, monitoring, application integration, and > configuration > > management > > > > In addition, for productivity and performance, Oracle9i Developer Suite > > offers a common component-based framework for defining reusable > > transactional business logic. The framework deploys to the standard J2EE > > platform. > > > > Starting with Oracle9i Developer Suite, Oracle JDeveloper serves as the > > basis for the common IDE, and Business Components for Java (BC4J) > provides > > the common transactional business logic framework. Highlights of new > > application development capabilities in Oracle9i Developer Suite > include: > > > > - 100% Java IDE available on Windows, Unix, and Linux > > - Integrated UML modeling with automated synchronization between > diagrams > > and code > > - Schema driven XML editing > > - SQL and PL/SQL development support > > - Integrated Java performance and memory profiling > > > > To maximize the level of integration, all new application development > > offerings will be part of the common IDE and will fully leverage BC4J. > As > > a result of this strategic direction, Oracle has decided not to release > > Project Cherokee as a standalone product in either Oracle9i Developer > > Suite or Oracle9i Application Server. Instead, the Cherokee technology, > > ideas, expertise, and RAD development style will be folded into the > common > > IDE and tightly integrated with BC4J. > > > > Oracle Forms is the leading 4GL tool, used by hundreds of thousands of > > developers all around the world. Oracle Forms provides the underlying > > infrastructure for Oracle's ERP application suite - Oracle E-Business > > Suite, and the recent availability of Release 11i is evidence of the > > incredible power and robustness of Oracle Forms. Oracle will continue > to > > enhance Oracle Forms and support its large installed base. > > > > Oracle Designer provides an intuitive environment to model applications > > and databases. Oracle Designer automatically generates Oracle > Forms-based > > applications from these models enhancing developer productivity. > > Leveraging Oracle Repository, Oracle Designer enables collaborative > > development enhancing team productivity. Oracle will continue to enhance > > Oracle Designer and support its large installed base. > > > > The Oracle9i integrated approach stands in stark contrast to the > > alternatives available elsewhere: complex and expensive multi-vendor kit > > approaches that require multiple standalone tools and servers for > > different languages, operating systems, development styles, and phases > of > > the software development lifecycle. With Oracle9i, Oracle offers a more > > complete, integrated, and standards-based software infrastructure than > any > > other vendor. > > > > William Dwight > > Vice President > > Application Development Tools > > Oracle Corporation > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > << File: winmail.dat >> -- ODTUG 2001 - Portal to Oracle Solutions is coming to San Diego, June 24-28! Visit the ODTUG website at www.odtug.com <http://www.odtug.com> for conference details and highlights. 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