Ooooh, this is good stuff too. As a twinkly-eyed "Randist"
decades ago, i should have seen that argument, too. Commerce
and "pure" research do support each other. At least, I know
I have benefitted from both.
Thanks for the extra analysis, Dr. Pierce!
Ross
p.s. btw, your cry to attention at the end....are there articles
you have in mind supporting your statement that the anti-MS jihad'ers
underestimate .Net, or is this an intuitive call? (I am perfectly
willing to entertain either, or both, as a answer...)
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Basically this is just the same old "purists" vs. "popularizers"
stuff.
But it is classic. Let the jihad rage.
Reverend Torvalds is of course mainly preaching to the choir
(purists). He ought to at least acknowledge that in the history of
science, commerce -as applied scientific development- has always
played an important role as an economic engine, though frequently in
considerable tension to the "purist" interests/preferences of
scientific elites. Of course it is tempting to set up scientists as
heroic/romantic figures, but without the social engine of commerce
chugging along, would the resources have even been there to support
all the great innovations that were developed by the intellectual and
scientific elites? Of course not. Also, commerce and science (as we
know them in the "modern" age since 1600), arose from the same
underlying cultural/"evolutionary" wellsprings, so the idea of
separating commerce from science has limited relevance.
I wasn't able to stay awake enough to force myself to stomach reading
all of corporate-speak drivel in the MS guy's statement, but this did
jump out at me:
---excerpt---
[IP = intellectual property]
...Finally, the fact that we believe strongly in the value of IP
protection doesn't mean that we discount the importance of
contributing to and supporting the public domain of knowledge as
well. We believe that interaction between the public domain and
the IP-based sector needs to be based on mutual responsibility and
respect.
There is an important and longstanding tradition for the public
domain of knowledge, or "intellectual commons." This is reflected
in many ways, including federal support for basic research, the
limitations on IP rights reflected in the law and, more recently,
the broad practice of contributing technology to public standards
groups for the continued development of the Internet. We support
this and want to continue to be a constructive and responsible
participant in this community, including making contributions to
public standards. There is an equally important tradition of
commercial companies having the opportunity to benefit from and
apply this public knowledge, including by developing commercial
products that are protected by IP rights. There are many examples
of this, including the many products that grew from research in
the space program and the advances in speech recognition
technology that followed work done at pre-eminent institutions
such as Carnegie Mellon.
...
---end---
Really, the brainwashed idiots/ propagandists at MS are their own
worst enemy (enema?). If they would just tell the plain truth instead
of constantly twisting it and distorting it to fit their internally
self-referential greedy mentality, they could make a much better fair
case (IMO).
>From what I've heard, at this point ".Net" is being dangerously
underestimated by the anti-MS jihad.
regards,
ep
On 4 May 2001, at 11:41, Mohan, Ross scribbled with alacrity and
cogency:
> Boy, that is an excellent response, and one
> of the best defenses of Open Source i've heard.
>
> || -----Original Message-----
> || From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> || Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:22 AM
> || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> || Subject: RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software
> || movemen
> ||
> ||
> || Here is Linus's response ....
> ||
http://web.siliconvalley.com/content/sv/2001/05/03/opinion/dgillmor/webl
og/torvalds.htm
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