That's sort of the whole nature vs nurture argument and it could very well
last the rest of our lives.  Fact is, you could be raiesed in the United
States by a fine upstanding family, but you could still turn around and go
gun everyone down at school the next day.  It's not necessarily how you were
raised or who raised you.  Personally, I think one of the biggest problems
in the United States is the media.  They put everything right in your face,
they manipulate the truth.  Kids are subjected to movies of violence, and
yes it goes to nurture here, and their parents are letting them watch this
crap on tv.  We live in a law suit happy society, everyone is angry at
everyone else if they have something that that person wants and in todays
society it appears as though people will go to any extent to get what they
want.  Personally I am quite sick of it, watching the news does nothing but
bring me down.  (whoo, that's enough of that, too early in the morning)
Kev

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Just as a coin has two side, every thing has two sides - I'd say - good and
bad.
What you are is determined by your behaviour
Your behaviour is determinied by your surroundings - be it parents ,
friends or foes.
Similarly, what a nation is determined by its ruler and its neighbours.

So, It largely depends on our attitude - how we take it.
As, one poet says -
  "Our attitude determines our altitude in life"

So, to sum it up - if you are going to make a living from Saudi - then you
have to trust them and befriend them and respect them - and you will get
respected..

I can keep writing like this on and on - but.... I think I'll stop here..

Bye now,
Rajaram.



-----Original Message-----
From:   Eric D. Pierce [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:06 PM
To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:        RE: job offer from SAUDI ARABIA

reality check.

Consider the poignant implications of the recent anniversary of the
Oklahoma city terrorism.

The simple fact is that a very high percentage of professional women
that have jobs like real estate sales requiring isolated contact with
strangers *are* armed (as you state, many with "boutique" designer
guns). it is because they have been assaulted or threatened, or are
close to women that have told vivid stories of such.

Employees at this campus are required to take *mandatory* "campus
violence" workshops now. Last year a professor was severly beaten by
some petty thieves after leaving a night class about 2 minutes walk
from my office. Several years ago, someone held an admission
counselor hostage at gun point in the building I work in. The person
was upset that they weren't admitted to the university.

regards,
ep
(unarmed, but unrepentantly politically incorrect)

On 17 May 2001, at 13:16, Marianne Brooks wrote:

Date sent:              Thu, 17 May 2001 13:16:06 -0800
To:                     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> SET MODE SILLY ON
>
> Damn, I  *knew* I forgot to buy something on my last shopping trip to
> Nordstroms!
>
> Note to self:  - buy gun I didn't know I needed.  Remember to purchase
>                   extras for friends who don't have them either(the gift
> that keeps
>                       on taking?)

...


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