Cool. Did he mention whether this is one of the features that would be
"retrofitted" to V.8? That would be nice. I've been using Sqlloader quite a
bit lately.

--Walt Weaver
  Bozeman, Montana, USA

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Glenn,

    At the last NorthEast Oracle Users Group meeting we had a developer from
Oracle in Nashua NH who's purpose in life is the utilities like SQL*Loader,
Export and Import.  He told us of the "replacement of SQL*Loader" in Oracle
9. 
Basically you've hit it on the head.  You place the file somewhere where the
DB
can see it and using SQL*Loader like syntax describe the table(s) to the
database.  Then you can use plain old SQL to either read and process the
data or
manipulate it as you like.  I believe he said we could even index the data
therein and that it could be used for either data extraction and insertion. 
Sounds interesting, can't wait to get my hands on it.

Dick Goulet 

____________________Reply Separator____________________
Author: Glenn Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:       5/22/2001 7:16 AM

apologies.  no offense was intended.

on a side note, Informix has a feature that lets you define a table which
references a flat file in unix.  This allows them to bypass the buffer cache
and facilitate fast table loads.  I believe I read that this will be in
Oracle 9 also, but I can't find the references at this time.  Anyone have
more info?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carle,
William T (Bill), NLCIO
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:45 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Bulkcopy


  AT&T uses Oracle. I'm well acquainted with sqlldr, and I assumed that the
questioner was too. I took his question to be: was there a bulkcopy utility
in addition to sqlldr and the answer as far as I know is no.




  Bill Carle

  AT&T

  Database Administrator

  816-995-3922

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Glenn Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:20 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Bulkcopy



  sqlldr.  AT&T obviously uses Sybase.



   -----Original Message-----
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carle,
William T (Bill), NLCIO
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:46 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Bulkcopy

  Howdy,



      The only bulkcopy utility that I know of is a Sybase utility. The
Sybase bcp command moves data from a flat file to a Sybase table and vice
versa. I don't know of any such command in Oracle.




  Bill Carle

  AT&T

  Database Administrator

  816-995-3922

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:16 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: Bulkcopy



  All,



  Anyone heard of this utility for Oracle ?. Someone mentioned it today and
I didn't have a clue. They said it would be in $ORACLE_HOME/bin. Nothing
there !!



  Regards



  Lee





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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
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references 
a flat file in unix.&nbsp; This allows them to bypass the buffer cache and 
facilitate fast table loads.&nbsp; I believe I read that this will be in
Oracle 
9 also, but I can't find the references at this time.&nbsp; Anyone have more

info?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  uses Oracle. I&#8217;m well acquainted with sqlldr, and I assumed that the

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utility in

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  AT&amp;T obviously uses Sybase.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]<B><SPAN 
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  NLCIO<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, May
21, 
  2001 11:46 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Multiple 
  recipients of list ORACLE-L<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
Bulkcopy</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>The only bulkcopy
utility 
  that I know of is a Sybase utility. The Sybase bcp command moves data from
a 
  flat file to a Sybase table and vice versa. I don&#8217;t know of any such
command 
  in Oracle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Robertson 
  Lee - lerobe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, May 21, 2001 12:16 
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Multiple
recipients of

  list ORACLE-L<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> 
  Bulkcopy</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE:
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  color=black><SPAN 
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  size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE:
10pt">All,</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT color=black 
  face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial

  size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE:
10pt">Anyone 
  heard of this utility for Oracle ?. Someone mentioned it today and I
didn't 
  have a clue. They said it would be in $ORACLE_HOME/bin. Nothing there 
  !!</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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