Oracle HAD to rename it -- they have consistently changed the name with
each release, so they couldn't stop now!
A brief history, from what I remember:
Oracle Webserver 1.x
Oracle Web Application Server 2.x
Oracle Web Application Server 3.x? (whoops, I guess they kept it once,
anyway I can't really remember what that one was called, it crashed pretty
much constantly)
Oracle Application Server 4.x
WebDB (really built on OAS 4, an addon of sorts)
8i Oracle Application Server (from 4 to 8 :)
9i Application Server
Oracle Portal (built on 9iAS, was it also built on 8iOAS?)
These are all mostly the same in their foundation technology, and are
really dot-releases of the same product. Funny.
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9i iAS == 8i OAS. Oracle renamed 8i 1.0 to 9i 1.0. Version numbers are
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OK, now I'm puzzled.
About 3 weeks ago Oracle mailed me a copy of 8.1.7. at home, along with the
9i iAS.
The iAS documentation refers to 8i OAS (version 1.0.1), it says we can
"migrate" from 8i OAS to iAS.
Does this mean if I had installed 8i OAS (v. 1.0.1), I could apply a patch
to bring it up to v.1.02 (9i iAS?)
Is iAS iAS, or is it OAS?? If iAS is not OAS, why do they have the same
version numbers?
Does iAS go with 8.1.7, or 9i?
If 8i OAS goes with 8.1.7, how come Oracle never sent me a copy of 8i OAS?
Weren't they excited about that product as well?
When we receive the media for 8.1.7 here, will we receive from Oracle 8i
OAS
to go with it, or 9i iAS?
When Oracle 9i is released, will there be another version of iAS to go
along
with it?
I wish the versions matched, but I guess when you're a big company it's
hard
to release the different packages in synch.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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I wish that I could be like some of U where your job is to solely
tune/backup database etc. Although I am a "DBA", I feel that I am a
5% DBA
and 95% developer. I've just migrated our in-house customized
System to the
newly acquired Oracle HR System (oracle workflow). In top of that,
I am
also maintaining certain in-house Oracle systems. 95% of my time is
spent on
development.
I think that it's great to learn so many tools, Oracle Workflow,
Forms,
Reports, Graphics etc but I wish that I have more time to tune the
database.
Besides, cloning database, backup database, applying oracle patches
to the
HR System, all of my time is spent in development.
Regds,
New DBA
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them!)
I don't know about this development business. I
think about
this a lot (I
don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee
(which is
dead I hear),
Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of
them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and
be good
at both sides, in
my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a
team of
people which is
composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding
developers,
each good in their
own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who
can do a
little of
everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas
of
expertise, in a team,
you may end up with something greater than the sum
of its
parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you
will end
up with... a
workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL
Server,
DB2, and others,
and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do
contracts and
drive a Porsche
like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once
I am
confident I know
enough about the foundation my development work
would run
on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des
syst�mes
Technology Services | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de
l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | R�gion des Maritimes,
MPO
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on
them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and
development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find
a job
but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of
opportunities but
will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot
of them
want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in
salary
between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much
home
free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about
2 of
very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless
you
have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my
dedication
and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short
period of
time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as
there are
many things
involved with
Oracle and in my opinion very few people in
comparison to the amount
of
dba's out there actually put effort into it
to
become better.
Traits I feel are important:
1. Hunger, desire to be the best
2. Ability to stand your ground with
developers
3. Ability to bend for developers when the
task
depends on it
4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
5. Desire to read things just because you
want to
6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a
crunch
7. Motivation to better yourself when
things are
slow and
everything is
working (hardly ever)
8. Ability to take critism for everything,
it is
always a database
problem
unless proved otherwise.
Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs
out
there for 2 year
dba's, but
your attitude will be the number 1 factor if
you can
do anything
with them
after you get your foot in the door. Your
recruiter
and your resume
is what
is the number 1 factor to just get in the
door.
I happen to be better once I am in the door,
many
people happen to
be better
at getting in the door. You have to be able
to do
both.
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
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Hi!..
Can someone please help me?
I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half
years
and now the recruiters 'complain' that I
have
not done any 'designing or development'.
Can someone please advise on 'where do I go
from
here'?
Thanks
PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such
advise, cos
their 'worldview' starts and ends with
OCP.
which I find recruiters 'barely
notice'!!!!!
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Subject:recruiters. Aargh
Funny story from earlier this week. I've
been
pestered by a
recruiter making
cold calls who is trying to get me to hire
an Oracle
Developer. I
told her
we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he
walked on
water, and we
couldn't
pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and
told
her I would look
at it. Of
course the resume was nothing special. When
I told
her "the resume
does not
warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I
could
almost hear the
lightbulb
popping above her head as she contemplated
the next
call to our
switchboard.
"Warren, is that the name of your manager?"
she
asked. bye bye.
Henry
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