FYI, Oracle Support responded as follows: 23-MAY-01 15:16:30 It looks to me that there are some misunderstanding regarding Oracle product and components. Let me try to explain it to you. - We don't have ideal pairs for any products from the usage point of view. Forms and reports product managers trying to set certain dates for the new releases that may match with certain RDBMS but it doesn't mean that it only works with this certain release. Care managers try to ship a bundle of new products together for client to try it and decide if he wants to go to those new versions. As an example we used to ship oracle 8i, developer 6i, oem 2.x, OAS 4.0.8.x together. No we ship IAS 1.0.2 with Apache, Oracle 8.1.7, OEM, Forms and reports 6i, discoverer 4i together but it doesn't mean that forms and reports 6i doesn't work with 8.0.x database. For an example - Forms and Reports 6i can connect and work properly with oracle 7.3.4, 8.0.x, 8.1.x and 9i that also includes any patches applied to the product. - Form 6i can be run with OAS and IAS any version - OEM can administrate any database 7.x, 8.x Unfortunately, it ids not possible to have one page for all the combinations. To get a certification for a certain product you have to check the certfication for each one separately. Regarding the Forms and Reports 6i installer, which is the old installer, that's true as forms and reports 6i uses Resource support files for Oracle 8.0.6 as well as the PL/SQL 8.0.6 so it is required to use the old installer and it is installed to 806 home in case that yu have installed it as a component of IAS. An advise when you try to install IAS 1.0.2.x you have to install it to the default oracle_home. Hope this answers your questions. Note that they are recommending we place iAS in the default oracle_home. The iAS installation manual, p. 3-5, says: Note: Be sure not to install Oracle9I Application Server in an ORACLE_HOME containing other Oracle products, including the database. Such an installation could overwrite shared components, causing the products to malfunction. I am trying to get clarification on this now based on my previous tar (which they soft closed already), if that doesn't work I'll just have to log another TAR... Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst�mes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R�gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- From: Marc Perkowitz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 8.1.7. and OAS / iAS versions confusion 9i iAS == 8i OAS. Oracle renamed 8i 1.0 to 9i 1.0. Version numbers are consistent. Marc Perkowitz Senior Consultant TWJ Consulting, LLP 847-256-8866 x15 www.twjconsulting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: 8.1.7. and OAS / iAS versions confusion OK, now I'm puzzled. About 3 weeks ago Oracle mailed me a copy of 8.1.7. at home, along with the 9i iAS. The iAS documentation refers to 8i OAS (version 1.0.1), it says we can "migrate" from 8i OAS to iAS. Does this mean if I had installed 8i OAS (v. 1.0.1), I could apply a patch to bring it up to v.1.02 (9i iAS?) Is iAS iAS, or is it OAS?? If iAS is not OAS, why do they have the same version numbers? Does iAS go with 8.1.7, or 9i? If 8i OAS goes with 8.1.7, how come Oracle never sent me a copy of 8i OAS? Weren't they excited about that product as well? When we receive the media for 8.1.7 here, will we receive from Oracle 8i OAS to go with it, or 9i iAS? When Oracle 9i is released, will there be another version of iAS to go along with it? I wish the versions matched, but I guess when you're a big company it's hard to release the different packages in synch. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst�mes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R�gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ph: (902) 426-4774 -----Original Message----- From: CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!) I wish that I could be like some of U where your job is to solely tune/backup database etc. Although I am a "DBA", I feel that I am a 5% DBA and 95% developer. I've just migrated our in-house customized System to the newly acquired Oracle HR System (oracle workflow). In top of that, I am also maintaining certain in-house Oracle systems. 95% of my time is spent on development. I think that it's great to learn so many tools, Oracle Workflow, Forms, Reports, Graphics etc but I wish that I have more time to tune the database. Besides, cloning database, backup database, applying oracle patches to the HR System, all of my time is spent in development. Regds, New DBA -----Original Message----- From: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!) I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I don't have a life). I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear), Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them. There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides, in my opinion. If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which is composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of everything. When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team, you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt). If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a workgroup and OK result. Probably. As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and others, and in OSes than in doing development. That's just my personal preference. Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know enough about the foundation my development work would run on... Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst�mes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R�gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!) As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will find though 2 years is tough. Here is my assessment. 1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants to waste your times in interviews 3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short for "senior" positions 6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for midlevel positions (based on offered salary). To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year dba and 20 years. Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to hit it as I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work). The first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something special someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not my length of service. I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I have detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY. You have to have a certain something as there are many things involved with Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount of dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better. Traits I feel are important: 1. Hunger, desire to be the best 2. Ability to stand your ground with developers 3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it 4. Ability to stare at a book for hours 5. Desire to read things just because you want to 6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch 7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and everything is working (hardly ever) 8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database problem unless proved otherwise. Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year dba's, but your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything with them after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter and your resume is what is the number 1 factor to just get in the door. I happen to be better once I am in the door, many people happen to be better at getting in the door. You have to be able to do both. -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi!.. Can someone please help me? I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have not done any 'designing or development'. Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from here'? Thanks PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP. which I find recruiters 'barely notice'!!!!! ------------- Original Message -------------- Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From:Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800 Subject:recruiters. Aargh Funny story from earlier this week. I've been pestered by a recruiter making cold calls who is trying to get me to hire an Oracle Developer. I told her we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he walked on water, and we couldn't pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and told her I would look at it. Of course the resume was nothing special. When I told her "the resume does not warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I could almost hear the lightbulb popping above her head as she contemplated the next call to our switchboard. "Warren, is that the name of your manager?" she asked. bye bye. 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