I agree with what you say, I couldn't have said it better.....Oh were you being ironic?
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Nope. Here, for future reference, is the party line:
NT is bad, always fails, never works, can't be fixed,
doesn't scale, is too expensive, isn't first tier,
is unsupportable, will never get better, never
has improved, and it's all Microsoft's fault.
Unix ( of any type ) is perfect, extendable, solid, reliable,
runs for several decades without maintenance, SAs, DBAs,
or even hardware, and you can even get it for free
sometimes.
Now, about Xenix........<EG>
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|| Subject: RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
||
||
|| I thought the "party line" was NT after all with NT you have
|| a party with
|| all the nasty bugs and recoveries.
||
|| Richard A Sharpe
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|| Yea, Lisa "get real".
||
|| Next time, don't talk to anyone or do any research.
|| Just follow the party line, OK?
||
|| :)
||
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|| Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:42 AM
|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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||
||
|| This surely does sound the Wiz of Oz, Solaris unstable ?
|| Tru64, get real.
||
||
||
||
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|| -----Original Message-----
|| Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM
|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
||
||
||
|| According to a technical representative at Oracle in
|| Rochester, NY, Oracle
|| no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have
|| changed to HP-UX
|| for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris.
||
|| "Koivu, Lisa" wrote:
||
||
||
|| Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list.
||
|| Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do.
||
|| My question was about the utilities across different flavors
|| of Unix and if
|| they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same,
|| however the switches
|| may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you
|| must purchase a
|| license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called
|| 'collect' that
|| does something similar to top.
||
|| The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly
|| positive. Some of the
|| positive comments I received:
||
|| 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant
|| and may affect
|| any 3rd party apps.
|| 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps)
|| patch releases. Not
|| anymore.
|| 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging
|| the wrong cord
|| (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime.
||
|| 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g.
|| marketed everywhere
|| extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is
|| not widely
|| known. So obscurity works in your favor.
||
|| 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven.
|| 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle.
|| 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'.
|| 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem.
|| 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64.
|| 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq
|| GS-160/16CPU favored the
|| Compaq! WOW
|| 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology
|| from Compaq.
|| Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for
|| 9i will only
|| initially be available on tru64, truly first tier.
||
|| Caveats/ Other comments:
||
|| 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting
|| themselves in the long run.
|| 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison.
|| 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right
|| now, but they
|| should pull through in the long run.
|| 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service
|| databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple
|| listeners (no big
|| deal)
||
|| 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a
|| Solaris system
|| may net an answer quicker than running tru64.
||
|| 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a
|| problem with bad
|| caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer.
||
|| 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force
|| is highly trained
|| in administration so you can talk real system architecture
|| with them (not
|| that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's
|| support is also top
|| notch.
||
|| Special thanks to the following people for their responses:
||
|| Scott Shafer
|| Ron Morton
|| Lee Robertson
|| Jerry Hess
|| Michael Hand
|| Murali Vallath
|| Joe Hatchel
|| Mike Kurt
|| Ray Stell
|| Darren Browett
|| Stephen Andert
|| Stefan Moeding
|| And, the one and only clown.... Ross Mohan
||
|| Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is.
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM
|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
||
|| Lisa:
||
|| How about contributing a summary of the feedback?
||
|| Kevin
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM
|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
||
||
|| I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to
|| me when I asked
|| for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and
|| feedback than I ever
|| expected!
||
|| This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of
|| how willing
|| people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute
|| enough to make up
|| for how much everyone here has helped me.
||
|| HELP!
||
|| Have a great day, all.
||
|| Lisa Koivu
|| Oracle Database Administrator
|| 954-935-4117
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