I am not talking about getting rich. $100/hr is not near rich in my opinion.
What I am talking about is to get as much money as possible for one's work.
Now, I do not know how many copies of your book DBA 101 were sold (by the
way in my opinion very good book - regretfully it was published a little
late for me). If you were getting 33% of sales, and average price will be
$25 - it means that you could get about $8 for copy. If you could sell 5000
books -it is $40000 etc. Also compensation is not only royalty. As I was
told by one of Oracle book authors it is much easier to negotiate rates,
find projects etc. This comparison between self publishing and using
publishers is the same as between FTE and contractors. Contractors make more
money but should be ready that the contract will be canceled at any time
without notice. And then it can take couple of months depending on the
market and one's rate to find another one.

Alex Hillman

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let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish his 
book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition.

and editors don't come cheap.

Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book???

I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated 
about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number 
Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his 
experience)

So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr

500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months

so.... 500*100 = $50,000  for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!!

Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money.

Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get 
rich.



>From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800
>
>I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I 
>don't
>think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market. 
>Also
>what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not 
>be
>too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more money.
>
>Alex Hillman
>
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>
>self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, that's
>how my father-in-law published his book)
>
>I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your
>book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that
>Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book.
>
>
> >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
> >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800
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> >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 33%
> >of
> >sales.
> >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any 
>other
> >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way).
> >
> >Alex Hillman
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> >-----Original Message-----
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> >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the
> >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the
> >like..
> >
> >hth
> >connor
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