Amarillo is still beautiful.. although the natives don't seem to share my
enthusiasm.  

Yeah, I found this... I was just hoping for... more.  I can find
considerable stuff on mlog$_<> tables, but I'm still digging on this one.  I
love the 'documenation' on some of these 'features'.

 Thanks
 April Wells
 Corporate Systems
 Amarillo Texas

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April,

How's Amarillo lately?  ;-)
The only useful thing I found was on metalink forum (I'm sure you've
seen it) pasted below.  Looks like a special log for UPDATABLE
SNAPSHOTS, which would make sense in the context of 2 way replication.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX

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Hi, 
 could somebody explain to me what's the funcionality of the RUPD$
tables and when they are created ? 
 The chapter covering the creation of snapshot logs also states the
MLOG$ tables only. 
 Familiar with ORACLE version 8.0.5, i know the MLOG$ snapshot log
tables only. 
 I went through the 8.1.7 documentation, but i did not find any
explanation, just a short remark about looking for 'temporay updatable
 snapshots' by checking the existance of these RUDP$ tables. 
 Additionaly i did not find any comment on these 'temporay updatable
snapshots'. 
 Kind reagards 

 Robert Puskas 

~~~~~~~~~~~
 From: Oracle, Ken Robinson 17-Apr-01 17:33 
 Subject: Re : RUPD$ tables 
 There is very little available on this. It is part of the internals of
replication and is only used for certain "rare" types of heterogenous
 replication. 

 Regards, 
 Ken Robinson 
 Oracle Server EE Analyst 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 From: Robert Puskas 18-Apr-01 13:50 
 Subject: Re : RUPD$ tables 

 Hi, 
 is it possible to get a more detailed information on this? 
 Are these tables created per default during snapshot log creation 
 or does the creation of these tables depend on some settings, which can
be disbled or ... 
 What happens if they are deleted for example, does it then influnece
the behaviour/functionality of fast refreshes? 
 The current environment is a ORACLE 8.1.7 database server used as
master of updatable and read only snapshots for several
 ORACLE Lite clients, both running Windows NT. 
 Kind regards 

 Robert Puskas 

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 From: Oracle, Ken Robinson 20-Apr-01 22:45 
 Subject: Re : Re : RUPD$ tables 
 There is very little data on this available and I'm not getting much
information back from our Replication group either. The only
 information I got back so far from another analyst is "I know it gets
created with the snapshot log beginning with Oracle8i whether it is
 for updatable snapshots or read only snapshots. It's some kind of
'temporary' table but I don't really know what it's used for during
 refresh?" 
 I'm trying to get more details. 

 Regards, 
 Ken Robinson 
 Oracle Server EE Analyst 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 From: NextGen BP 02-May-01 14:26 
 Subject: Re : RUPD$ tables 
 If I create the following snapshot specifying "with primary key" then a
RUPD$_newtable table appears at the remote site over the
 database link where the master table resides. 
 If I drop the materialised view and recreate the snapshot then the same
happens only without a RUPD$_newtable table being created at
 the remote site over the database link where the master table resides. 
 This would appear to be related to creating updateable snapshots. 
 This table presumably records changes made at the snapshot site. 

 create snapshot newtable 
 pctfree 0 
 pctused 99 
 tablespace users 
 storage (initial 1M 
 next 1M 
 pctincrease 0) 
 using index tablespace users 
 storage (initial 128K 
 next 128K 
 pctincrease 0) 
 refresh fast 
 start with sysdate 
 next sysdate + 1/1440 
 with primary key 
 using local rollback segment RBK1_1 
 FOR UPDATE 
 as 
 SELECT column list...., 
 FROM master_user.new_table@database_link; 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 From: NextGen BP 02-May-01 14:38 
 Subject: Re : RUPD$ tables 
 re : my above note from NEXTGEN is wrong. 
 I refered to "with primary key" instead of "FOR UPDATE" 
 FOR UPDATE registers the snapshot as updateable of the master for
posting changes back to the Master site. 
 sorry about the typo 
 Des Fox BP NEXTGEN London 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 From: Oracle, Ken Robinson 04-May-01 17:50 
 Subject: Re : Re : RUPD$ tables 

 Interesting. This topic seems to come up every now and then and I'll
refer others back to your findings. 

 Regards, 
 Ken Robinson 
 Oracle Server EE Analyst 

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April Wells wrote:
> 
> Good Thursday morning!
> 
> I have a nagging question that I can find only sketchy documentation on.
I
> have been working with Materialized Views and their associated logs and
have
> been trying to figure out what the RUPD$_<tablename> structures are for.
I
> have watched those tables during incremental processing, during refresh of
> the MV and have done searches with VERY limited information back from
> anywhere in Oracle... metalink, technet... Those tables never have any
rows,
> and they are very similar to the MLOG$_<tname> tables.  Does anyone know
> what the purpose of these tables are... what they do... anything?
> 
> Thanks
> April Wells
> Corporate Systems
> Amarillo Texas

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