Christopher, 

On that same thought, I read the best response to a company who won't train their 
people because "then they'll leave".  

Which would you rather have happen?  Train people and have them leave or not train 
them and have them stay?  I know where I'd rather work.



Stephen Andert


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Very common what you explained.

I think businesses are afraid to do training as they think you will become
more marketable and opt to leave.
If they are afraid of that, they should fix the problems or give more money
to make it so you would not want to leave.  If they themselves think your
going to leave because of training, they must already know it sucks and they
should fix it.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
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Patrice,
 There is "resistance" to any training that I feel is necessary to further
my knowledge and/or enhance my understanding of the Oracle processes. Even
though I have money in the budget for such items I have to submit a business
case defining the gains to the company and after completing the course with
a passing grade the company will reimburse me the expenses for the course
only. I also have to sign a waver that I will pay the company back the full
cost of the course if I leave their employment before 365 days. Needless to
say I pay for everything myself and hope to write it off on taxes if they
ever get the bill signed into law. ROR mª¿ªm 

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/13/01 11:46AM >>>
Just out of curiosity, how many days / weeks of real training did your
employer provide you with in the last couple of years?

"real" is in quotes, I don't mean the little 1 - 3 day seminars given by
CareerTrack and other "training" companies, or management-related stuff like
little MBA-flavoured certificates from universities.

Oh, and did the amount of training you received match what you were told
during your job interview?

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services        | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch         | Direction de l'informatique 
Maritimes Region, DFO      | Région des Maritimes, MPO

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