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I agree, the OS should not crash.

But most of the time I have seen that in the 5 years I did NT adminstration it was driver related or patch.
I have seen times where linux and solaris have had kernel panics, which is basically the same thing.
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
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-----Original Message-----
From: Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: but will it run windows?

I gotta disagree with you on one particular point here.

When an application gets a error and OS crashes, it IS
the OS fault.  The OS should be written in such a way
that when an application error occurs, the OS doesn't
have to be rebooted.  I believe it IS the OSes fault.


----
Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doing linear scans over an associative array is like
  trying to club someone to death with a loaded Uzi.
                 - Larry Wall (creator of Perl)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:35 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: but will it run windows?
>
>
> No I did not say that. 
>
> What I am saying, is most people install 100 programs, one of
> them acts like
> crap and they blame it on the OS.
>
> Because there is 5 million people programming for Win32 and probably 2
> million of them suck, that is not at all the OS's fault.
>
> The problem (in my opinion) stems from there is too many
> people coding for
> the os and too many hardware manufactors putting out code and
> hardware.  It
> is almost impossible to guarentee compatability, much less
> competent code.
>
> There api is fairly open, it is almost completely published.
> Although it is not open source or anything of that nature.
>
> "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their
> shoes, that way
> when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
> Christopher R. Spence
> Oracle DBA
> Phone: (978) 322-5744
> Fax:    (707) 885-2275
>
> Fuelspot
> 73 Princeton Street
> North, Chelmsford 01863

>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:33 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> So you're saying, unless you run only M$ products it still
> sucks.  They need
> to tighten up and open up the API's.  Then windows would be great.
>
> --Scott
>
>
> Christopher Spence wrote:
> >
> > I am much a unix person over M$, but the simple fact is
> Win32 serves
> > many purposes.  And it crashing all the time is a fairy
> tail that unix
> > people like to tell.  Yeah, it isn't as stable as unix, and most of
> > the problems are related to software and drivers which have
> nothing to
> > do with the OS.
> >
> > Christopher R. Spence
> > Oracle DBA
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:27 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: but will it run windows?
> > >
> > > I hate windows and all it stands for, but I can't stand
> when people
> > > say it crashes all the time and completely useless.
> >
> > OK, I stand corrected. Windows crashes just half of the
> time and if it
> > wasn't for Windows, I'd have to explain how to actually use
> a computer
> > to a far too big lot of ignorant people. It is also a marvelous,
> > although somewhat overpriced alternative for the Sony's PS2.
> > Hopefully, the statement above will mitigate your feelings
> toward us,
> > the  poor Unix geeks that use unix to provide for our
> everyday's bread
> > and Dom Perignon.
>
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