Chris,

    I've always used a permanent tablespace for temp and have not had the
problems you state.  But it does take some consistency to maintain.

1- we never allow anyone a quota on temp or even allow anyone to have that as
their default.  Come to think of it only sys has system as it's default
tablespace.  We also do not allow 'unlimited tablespace' even to purchased apps.
2- The ST enqueue has not been a problem, actually have 0 contention there even
in the data warehouse.
3- we don't back it up.  Have had one get trashed, along with the disk drive. 
Did an offline drop and rebuilt it elsewhere.

Dick Goulet

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Author: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:       8/28/2001 5:50 AM

No, it is generally better practice to use temporary tablespace for the
following reasons.
 
1.  You will not accidentently store objects in it.
2.  Reduced contention for the ST enqueue
3. Reduce backup and recovery time
 
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA 
Phone: (978) 322-5744 
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Oracle recommends creation of separate temporary tablespace for sort
operations.  
Is there any advantage in using a permanent tablespace instead of a
temporary for sort operations? 

rgds 
amar 


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<DIV><SPAN class=040424112-28082001><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>No, it is 
generally better practice to use temporary tablespace for the following 
reasons.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=040424112-28082001><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>1.&nbsp; You will

not accidentently store objects in it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040424112-28082001><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>2.&nbsp; Reduced 
contention for the ST enqueue</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040424112-28082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>3. 
Reduce backup and recovery time</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and 
have their shoes."</FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Script size=5>Christopher R. Spence</FONT> <BR><FONT 
face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Oracle DBA</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" 
size=2>Phone: (978) 322-5744</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" 
size=2>Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (707) 885-2275</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Fuelspot</FONT> <BR><FONT 
face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>73 Princeton Street</FONT> <BR><FONT 
face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>North, Chelmsford 01863</FONT> <BR><FONT 
face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT>&nbsp; </P>
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  face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Amar Kumar Padhi

  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:11 
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  <P><FONT face=Courier size=2>Oracle recommends creation of separate temporary 
  tablespace for sort operations.&nbsp; </FONT><BR><FONT face=Courier size=2>Is 
  there any advantage in using a permanent tablespace instead of a temporary for

  sort operations? </FONT></P>
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