RE: !! *Very* important Oracle-L message !!

[Cornio, Georgette Ms USACFSC]

How much is that in EUROs,
 for the future,
 and do we allow for differences in the depressed state that the EURO is in.

I understand in the IRISH republic,
 that the Church is worried that when it changes,
 their value amount will be less.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 20:56
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


What about the Ozzie rate???...whatever it is, this list is great .... even
though I've only been subscribed for a short time - I'm learning heaps ...
so I'm in for donating whatever the set fee is.

Cheers,

Sujatha



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Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 5:02 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is good start...I think we all should start sending min $20(for USA) and 
UKL 15 (for UK) to Jared/Bruce once we have address
Regards


MOHAMMAD RAFIQ



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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:50:55 -0800

Just publish the address where to send the money orders to
and my $20 will be on it's way tomorrow.

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Anjan Thakuria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:21 AM
 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 > Subject: Re: !! *Very* important Oracle-L message !!
 >
 >
 > Can we just start pledging ..We have got to keep this form
 > going under. Ideas
 > .....
 >
 > Anjan
 >
 > Jenner Mike wrote:
 >
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > Sent: 28 August 2001 23:29
 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 > >
 > > Ok, now that I have your attention, please read the
 > following message from
 > > Bruce Bergman,
 > > owner of fatcity.com.  It concerns the future of this list.
 > >
 > > Please read the entire message before replying.
 > >
 > > Thank you.
 > >
 > > Jared Still  ( List Owner )
 > >
 > > -------------------------------------------
 > >
 > > Hello ORACLE-L list members --
 > >
 > > I would like to take a few minutes of your time for a
 > "State of the Union"
 > > address, if you can call it that.  This is a rather serious
 > message, and I
 > > request that you take the time to read this message
 > entirely.  I've got a
 > > problem that needs resolution this week, and I'm hoping you
 > folks can help
 > > me come to a conclusion.  This message turned out to be fairly
 > > long-winded, so please excuse me for that. :-)
 > >
 > > Fat City (fatcity.com) is my company, and I am the provider
 > of the list
 > > services that you receive ORACLE-L through.  I've been
 > hosting Internet
 > > mailing lists for over 10 years, and carry quite a few
 > lists, including a
 > > big selection of Oracle-related lists (14, in fact).  Fat
 > City has always
 > > been a labor of love for me.  Over the years it has rarely
 > generated any
 > > income at all, and it usually does not cover my expenses --
 > most of the
 > > time
 > > it is a monthly loss for me.  The vast majority of my 60+
 > mailing lists
 > > have
 > > been hosted for free, at my expense (as is the ORACLE-L
 > list, for example).
 > > Yet I have absorbed these costs because I enjoy hosting
 > discussion lists
 > > and I know a lot of lists can't afford to pay for quality service.
 > >
 > > I am soon to be one of the Rhythms Orphans.  Rhythms, my
 > DSL provider, has
 > > gone bankrupt and will be out of business by 10-Sep-2001.
 > I need to find
 > > another provider of high-speed Internet in order to
 > continue operations.  I
 > > am at the point of either folding shop completely and going
 > out of business
 > > myself, or trying to make Fat City a viable, money-making
 > endeavor.  I need
 > > to make this decision by this Friday (for financial and
 > planning reasons).
 > > After Friday, I am committed one way or the other.
 > >
 > > My upstream ISP and I are on very good terms, and in fact,
 > I've been a
 > > customer of theirs since 1985!  As a result, they have
 > graciously offered
 > > to help me out of this situation at considerable expense to
 > themselves.
 > > I'm not at liberty to discuss the terms of the contract I
 > would engage in
 > > with them, but suffice to say that is one of those
 > once-in-a-lifetime
 > > opportunities that I'd be a fool to pass up.  I have this
 > offer personally
 > > from the President of that company, if I want it.  Simply
 > said, my ability
 > > to take them up on their offer and switch Fat City over to
 > a dedicated T1
 > > or
 > > better solution revolves around being able to generate
 > quite a bit of
 > > additional
 > > income per month, and very soon.  In an effort to be open
 > and up-front with
 > > you folks about this, I basically need to generate an
 > additional $500 more
 > > per
 > > month. Right now that seems daunting, but I've been working
 > hard to line up
 > > that
 > > additional income, and I believe I can do it.  Just not
 > right away.  My
 > > estimates are that it will take me four or five months to
 > come up to that
 > > level.  I need to get out there and sell website hosting
 > and list hosting
 > > packages, and get new customers.  That takes time,
 > unfortunately.  I need a
 > > buffer to enable me to get past this startup phase.
 > >
 > > After some discussions with Jared (the list owner), and
 > some encouragement
 > > from him, I am coming to you to ask for you help in keeping Fat City
 > > financially afloat until I can be self sufficient.  I'm not
 > asking for a
 > > specific dollar amount from anyone, nor am I *expecting*
 > anything from you
 > > folks.  But if it is within your power to contribute some
 > money towards
 > > this
 > > end (and yes, I know these are hard financial times for
 > everyone), I am
 > > hoping you can help.  If I can get sufficient promise of
 > funds that will
 > > see
 > > me through the next few months, I am willing to jump in
 > with both feet and
 > > make Fat City a viable business.  If it looks like the
 > contributions are
 > > not
 > > sufficient to enable me to do that, I will cease operations
 > within the next
 > > 45-60 days.
 > >
 > > Let me be clear about a few things: If I *do* cease
 > operations, I will give
 > > all of my lists time to find new list providers, and will
 > make every effort
 > > to aid the shift over to the new provider, provide list
 > dumps, archives,
 > > mail forwarding, etc.  Even though Rhythms goes out of business on
 > > 10-Sep-2001, I have secured service until at least
 > 10-Oct-2001 to enable
 > > this to happen.  So don't worry about having to rush into
 > your conversion
 > > if
 > > things don't work out.  I would also like to clearly state
 > that this is not
 > > some attempt to blackmail or coerce anyone into coming up
 > with money.  This
 > > will either succeed or fail based on what you folks can
 > comfortably and
 > > willingly contribute.  If I had the ability to cover this
 > startup period
 > > myself,
 > > I would definitely do so.  If Fat City ultimately goes
 > under, it wil NOT be
 > > your fault, and I hold no one to blame.  That's just how
 > the Internet cards
 > > are right now.  I do not want anyone to contribute if they
 > don't have
 > > the money, or if things are tight at home, or anything like
 > that.  I would
 > > like contributions to be made from those who are able to make such a
 > > contribution willingly.
 > >
 > > Also, I don't want anyone to send any money right now.
 > Basically I just
 > > want a show of hands of those who could contribute
 > something to this cause.
 > > Send me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or Jared ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 > an E-mail saying
 > > what amount you'd be willing to contribute.  If you would
 > rather donate
 > > anonymously, perhaps Jared could collect those donations.
 > I will "pass
 > > around the hat" until Friday morning, at which point I'll
 > see if there were
 > > sufficient pledges to enable me to move forward.  If it
 > seems like there
 > > is,
 > > then I will come up with a way for you to honor your pledge
 > (probably
 > > either
 > > directly to me via check or via PayPal, most likely).  The
 > funds can be
 > > collected in the next few weeks, but I must make my
 > decision on Friday.  I
 > > apologize for the late notice on this, but I was not given
 > this offer by my
 > > ISP until late last week.
 > >
 > > In return for your contributions, I promise the following things:
 > >
 > > - I will use all contributions ONLY for the express purpose
 > of paying for
 > > my
 > > Internet service costs
 > > - I will continue to host the ORACLE-L list for free for
 > the forseeable,
 > > indefinite future
 > > - I will make no more requests of this list for
 > contributions of this sort
 > > - I will provide a full accounting and update to the list
 > on the costs and
 > > how the funds are being used
 > > - I will make improvements to the list that will enhance
 > your features and
 > > performance (for example, faster turn-around on list postings, etc)
 > > - I will at least carry though for the next calendar year
 > unless I have
 > > catastrophic financial failure
 > >
 > > Please note that the ODTUG organization is already making a
 > considerable
 > > contribution by way of a monthly payment for service, so
 > they are already
 > > aware of this situation and are actively helping out.
 > There are a good
 > > number of people here who are on the ODTUG lists too, so I
 > wanted to point
 > > that out ahead of time and let you know that they are being
 > very helpful.
 > >
 > > Another way you could contribute would be to come to Fat
 > City for your list
 > > hosting or website hosting needs.  I had just started
 > offering website
 > > hosting services before this mess started, and obviously, a
 > monthly paying
 > > customer is far better than a one-time contribution.  If you go to
 > > http://www.fatcity.com and click on the "Website Hosting"
 > link, you can
 > > check out the packages I offer.  In an effort to get new
 > customers, I am
 > > willing to waive all setup fees in order to bring new
 > customers on board.
 > > If you become a customer here in the next couple of months,
 > that would help
 > > tremendously.  If you have an interest in hosting your
 > website (personal or
 > > business) with us, -or- a want to start a new mailing list,
 > please contact
 > > me for details.
 > >
 > > I know this is a lot to ask of you folks.  You are entirely
 > welcome to just
 > > tell me to jump in a lake, and that that's how business is
 > right now.  But
 > > I
 > > know many of you personally, either from ODTUG conferences
 > or from other
 > > Oracle events, and I also know how staunchly you support
 > this mailing list
 > > with useful information, humor, helpfulness and an eye
 > toward quality.  I
 > > would like to think that you find Fat City to be the best
 > place to host
 > > your
 > > list, and that you will want to help me out so that I can
 > continue to
 > > provide the list to you folks free of charge.  I made a
 > promise to Jared
 > > years ago to host this list for free because I think it is
 > one of the best
 > > and most valuable resources out there.  I intend to honor
 > that promise to
 > > him by continuing to provide it for free.  If it turns out
 > that I must
 > > close
 > > shop and call it quits, at least I will have known I did my
 > best to make it
 > > succeed, and I did so without having to reneg on committments I had
 > > made in the past.
 > >
 > > I am being open and honest with everyone because I believe
 > that this is the
 > > best way to succeed.  I believe you appreciate this kind of
 > approach, and I
 > > want you to know that regardless of what happens, I
 > certainly appreciate
 > > every consideration you give this request.  Whether or not
 > this succeeds, I
 > > know that you are a great group of people and I wish this
 > list the best
 > > luck
 > > in this life, or the next. :-)
 > >
 > > Remember, time is of the essence.  The sooner I hear from people who
 > > can help, the sooner I can nail down a line of approach.
 > If you have any
 > > questions or concerns, please E-mail me.
 > >
 > > Thanks everyone!
 > >
 > > Bruce Bergman
 > > President, Fat City Network Services
 > >
 > > --
 > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
 > > --
 > > Author:
 > >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > >
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