Many years ago I worked for a telco that had a bad day in the stock market.
They had written off $500 M of analogue switching equipment, acquired a
major competitor, and the chairman had announced that he was thinking of
retiring. The stock went into free-fall, loosing 50% of it's value in one
day. I had come in that Saturday to finish up the project that I was
working on.
That Monday, the company decided that it needed to send a message to Wall
Street that it would contain costs. I don't know exactly what the message
was that came down to management but I was gone by noon on Monday.
Everyone who was not engaged on a company critical project was let go.
This included almost all the network monitoring, Quality Assurance, and
testing groups. Billing was the only group considered critical.
You just pick up the pieces and go get a better job.
"JOE TESTA"
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to ORACLE-L
when i was offered to bail out of the military in '92, it worked that way.
Most of the people who had a skill set and could make it in private
industry, took the offer and left.
I didnt do too bad, 11 years in bail out and a 35K check :)
if enough people didnt take the money, the later people got nothing.
joe
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Here they tapped people on the shoulder from behind. Noone knew how many
were being let go and how long the process would take. You just turned
around quickly whenever you heard footsteps. I thought the tappers should
have been wearing a black cloak and hood and tap you with a staff. After
the
initial layoffs, the rest of the staff was either asked to stay for
months, 6 months, or 'we want you here for the future'. Of course the 3
and
6 month people were given incentives to stay. The ones they really wanted
were offered no additional incentives. Go figure.
Henry
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Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:30 PM
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I went through several major cuts when I worked at Citibank. The first one
was the one best handled... by the time anyone was told about it, it was
"if
you are here listening to me, you are NOT one of the ones let go"
Worst was when we knew how many would be let go... and knew that they had
let go one less than that number... and there was one person out on
vacation. And they didn't catch him at the door. That was awkward to say
the
least
>From: Kimberly Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:20:27 -0800
>
>Man, I remember the day when there were about 60 IT staff here.
>Now, I believe its under 20 or will be very shortly.� It was a
>tough week here last week.� We had to match what our client was
>letting go so we did that no problem.� Pretty much everyone is
>off to another project from us.� But to come in every morning and
>see the Fujitsu HR department catching people at the door before
>going into the Fab to give them their walking papers was tough.
>Its the first place I have worked at that has gone through that
>(while I was there).� I believe some upper management will get
>their papers this week.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:05 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>if 40 is small, is 16 microscopic? (and of that 16, 5 are consultants)
>
>
> >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: !! Keeping the list alive
> >Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:35:23 -0800
> >
> >
> >Just to add to my previous comment:
> >
> >I'm working at a company with small ( 40 or so ) IS shop.
> >
> >The weak do not survive in this environment.� The developers
> >I work with here are great.� They're bright, hard working and
> >un-egotistical.� They are even will to take direction from the
> >DBA in database related matters.
> >
> >Not a duhveloper in the bunch.
> >
> >Ya gotta love it!
> >
> >Jared
> >
> >On Thursday 30 August 2001 14:16, you wrote:
> > > Um, Kevin, if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.� :)
> > >
> > > Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact, most of the ones I
know
> > > are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers require
> > > so much attention that it kind of wears on you.� :)
> > >
> > > And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine writing apps, thank you,
> > > but we choose a path that requires less 'direction' from users.� ;)
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >�������������������� "Thomas, Kevin"
> > >�������������������� <Kevin.Thomas@cal������ To:���� Multiple
>recipients
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> > > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> anais.com>������������� cc:
> > >�������������������� Sent by:��������������� Subject:���� RE: !!
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> > >
> > >�������������������� 08/30/01 08:26 AM
> > >�������������������� Please respond to
> > >�������������������� ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the
majority
> > > couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie
> >(and
> > > we
> > > all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide
>range
>
> >of
> > > topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't call
>you
> > > guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
> > > application if your lives depended on it...
> > >
> > > (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once
lit,
> >and
> > > wait for fireworks)
> > >
> > >
> > > "hit any user to continue"
> > > __________________
> > >
> > > Kevin Thomas
> > > Technical Analyst
> > > Deregulation Services
> > > Calanais Ltd.
> > > (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
> > > Tel: 0141 568 2377
> > > Fax: 0141 568 2366
> > > http://www.calanais.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > no, those posts keep us "underworked" DBAs from killing the
>duhvelopers
> >who
> > >
> > > make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never
listen
> >when
> > > we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list alive
> > > >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:00:52 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of
>months...
> > > >
> > > >: )
> > > >
> > > >Patrice Boivin
> > > >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > > >
> > > >Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst�mes
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> > > >
> > > >��������� -----Original Message-----
> > > >��������� From:��������� [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >��������� Sent:��������� Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:58 PM
> > > >��������� To:������ Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >��������� Subject:������ RE: !! Keeping the list alive
> > > >
> > > >��������� You're surprised at those willing to pay?
> > > >
> > > >��������� You have to realize that most DBAs are over-payed and
> > >
> > > under-worked
> > >
> > > >....
> > > >��������� <<ducking>>
> > > >
> > > >��������� > -----Original Message-----
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> > > >��������� > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:43 PM
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> > > >��������� >
> > > >��������� >
> > > >��������� > This list is apparently a more valuable resource to
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> > >
> > > now.
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