Here's an interesting link:

http://hometown.aol.com/merryeee/ibmstory.htm

However, the story it tells is a little biased.  The Hollerith company sold
unit record machines to the Weimar Republic, as well as many other
governments (including the US), for census purposes.  My one-time neighbor
in Annapolis, Mrs. Simon Kaplan, had been a Hollerith programmer up until
1933.  She and her husband left Berlin in 1933 and Paris in 1940, finally
fetching up in Annapolis.  They were both Jewish.

A national ID card has great potential for abuse and I find it hard to
believe that governments (both Federal and local), commercial firms, and
individuals will be able to resist that abuse.  How long do you think it
will be before you have to swipe your ID card at the grocery store before
you can cash a check or use your credit card -- all in the name of crime
prevention of course.  Who would object, unless they were a criminal?

Even worse (IMHO) is that it will allow one-stop-shopping for hackers and
terrorists.  Hack or bribe your way into the database and no-one will
question your credentials.  Our existing databases and personnel are not
immune.  Once we put all our eggs in one basket the criminal or terrorist
need go no further.

I think that it's a really, really bad idea.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

IMHO - Old Ben had it exactly right.



                                                                                       
    
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I saw a book in the library that told of how IBM provided computers, and
thus was mainly responsible for helping the German Nazi set up a
computerized database of Jews in Germany allowing them to systematically
and
efficiently round the Jews up.

George

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