No man, your life will be so much easier on 2000 even with all the crap you mentioned. First off, I have done quite a few upgrades of 98 and all were well. But even if you did a fresh install it would be no more then half a day for years of piece and quite.
-----Original Message----- Al-Zawawi Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Igor, Yes, 9i "Personal Edition" is certified to run in Win 98. I've love to upgrade to Win2K but it's just not feasible at the moment. I have so much crap on there, configured, DSL here, VPN there, InterDev that, and so on and so on (crappola for work) -- it would be a massive pain that I just can't endure at the moment. Hopefully I'll just upgrade my entire workstation sometime later this year, and take care of business then. Thanks, JoJo -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L JoJo, Did you check, if 9i is certified to run on Win98? I doubt it. (though still might work, even - not being certified for this platform). Also, you mentioned, installation "bombs" on db creation. Could be, because default memory settings in default init.ora parameter file for "starter" db (db_block_buffers, shared_pool_size, log_buffer, etc.) are to high for your hardware configuration. If you still want to create "starter" db using oracle provided scripts, modify memory parameters in init.ora accordingly. Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:28 PM > Thanks Igor -- I may try again (this way) and see what happens. > > By the way, I'm running Win98 and was attempting to install 9i Personal > Edition, which is supposed to run on Win98. If I get desperate enough, I > could install it on one of our dev servers (NT or Win2K), but I really > wanted it right on my own PC. > > Thanks again, > JoJo > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > JoJo, > > You choose "Custom" install, and when it asks, if you want "starter" db, > say - "no". > > Igor Neyman, OCP DBA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:58 PM > > > > Robert, > > > > I currently have Windows automatically setting my VM, and my settings show > > currently 1,825 MB. So I don't get why this isn't working. > > > > How do I tell the installer not to create the DB for me? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > JoJo > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Robert > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:39 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I have ALOT of VM setup... > > > > Looking.. at... my ... laptop... configuration... > > > > I currently have 143MB of virtual memory allocated. I think I have > > actually reduced that from 256MB when I did the install. > > > > Hint #2, do not allow the installer to create the database for you. > > that adds significantly additional memory requirements. So, install > > the software, then start DBCA separately. > > > > RF > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP > > Oracle DBA Technical Lead > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > > > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can > > take his freedom away from him. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 1:03 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > No kidding ??? How much virtual memory do you have set ??? > > > > Every time I tried to install 9i, it would get to the database cloning > part > > and bomb completely. > > > > Cheers, > > JoJo > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Robert > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:29 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Interesting... I have 9i installed on a laptop with 64 megs... :-) > > Virtual memory does wonders! :-) > > > > RF > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP > > Oracle DBA Technical Lead > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > > > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can > > take his freedom away from him. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:35 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > At the time, I was brand-spankin' new to Oracle, and didn't even know > > technet existed. I was looking at the "product info" pages where you > > purchase products (which usually at least show system requirements when > you > > click on the "more info" button type of thing). Since I couldn't find the > > data there, I called Sales, who could not help me... they assured me that > > they were sure my system was up to snuff (with 192 megs RAM). When I > tried > > to install, it bombed repeatedly and had to be manually uninstalled each > > time. I couldn't get any help whatsoever at all unless I purchased > service, > > at which time they told me simply that I needed more memory (256 megs). > > Even buying service was a pain in the behind -- apparently it's a new > thing > > that you can buy service after buying the license, and the service sales > > dept didn't know about this. Don't forget that they also entered 2 > separate > > invoices for the license and charged my credit card twice (at several > > hundred bucks a pop). That was a whole other story, getting that fixed > up. > > With 40,000 employees, I found that dealing with Oracle was like dealing > > with a small country. > > > > --JoJo > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Robert > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:29 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I don't understand this.... the product (the RDBMS) can be downloaded > > for FREE from oracle.com.....the doc's are free to look at at > > technet.oracle.com, including specific platform install guides which > > contain product requirements (as seen here) > > > > > http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/90111install/reqs.h > > tm#1195223 > > > > All the requirements are freely available. While I think it was terrible > > that your sales folks didn't know what these requirements were, I think > > it is inaccurate to say that you were made to purchase anything. All the > > info is freely available... in fact a google search for > > "Oracle9i Memory requirements" found me plenty of information. I think you > > bear some responsibility in this as well. > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP > > Oracle DBA Technical Lead > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > > > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can > > take his freedom away from him. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:33 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > They made me purchase customer support before they would even tell me the > > system requirements for 9i (which I had already purchased, including a > > personal 2-year license). It turns out that I need to buy more memory and > > can't install the product. That tee'd me off ! I couldn't get a > > salesperson anywhere to tell me the requirements, and it definitely wasn't > > on the product info pages on their site. > > > > --JoJo > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Robert > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:43 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Anyone else just slightly irritated with the level of customer support > > offered for phone callers to Oracle now days? Used to be, that if you > > were a gold customer as we are, you could almost count on instant first > line > > support. Last week I called and was told that a phone call would > > result in at least a one hour delay in an analyst call back, whereas > > an iTar (lie tars I call em) will get me about 30 minute response. > > The representative was rude and snarly to me at the same time. > > Is this how Larry wants to save that second billion, crappy customer > > service? > > > > RF > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP > > Oracle DBA Technical Lead > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > > > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can > > take his freedom away from him. > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Freeman, Robert > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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