Hi Dick We went to the Netherlands too, last weekend. There is a big difference between the Dutch and the Germans (at least in the area where I live). Maybe there are just some things, we don't really want to put up with like people pretty much smoking absolutely everywhere. By the way, I am German and should be used to that, but after being in some other countries (Switzerland/USA) for a while, I noticed that things can also work out better. I don't need people to be on my toes all the time. And comparing 1983 to 2002, I personally think that things became more agressive.
Regards, Stefan -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 16:42 An: Stefan Jahnke; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: Re:AW: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other maj Stefan, I was in Holland some years ago, alright many a year ago (1983). I did not find the people there "unfriendly and pushy". As a matter of fact I found them very friendly. A little hard to understand since English is a foreign language over there, but friendly and patient none the less. Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: Stefan Jahnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 6/11/2002 4:38 AM Hi Andy I can only give you some information about the Duesseldorf area in Germany and the Zuerich area in Switzerland. D'dorf: As a combined sys admin / dba with 6 years experience, I guess you can expect about 60000 Euros per year. If you want more, you have to be extraordinarily good. If you are not, you might have to accept less. I assume you're talking about a permanent position here. Cost of living is pretty high. You can expect to pay LOADS of taxes (IRS is really greedy here ;). Housing should be about 800 Euros for a 70 square meter apartment (but not downtown, that's exponentially more expensive unless you're really lucky). Food and clothing is also pretty expensive. My wife and I spend about 600 Euros per month on food. If you need a car, you'll have to pay a lot for insurance and tax (really varies, depending on the size of the engine and how likely it is to be stolen;). Public transportation is a good alternative. Zuerich: As for Switzerland, multiply the housing and food cost by 2 and there you are ... easy. Public transportation is perfect plus you pay less tax. You also can expect the salary here to be about 30% higher then in Germany, so that makes up for it. Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock regarding unfriendly and pushy people. I guess Amsterdam is comparable (just guessing). Regards, Stefan -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Andrey Bronfin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 12:13 An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major european Hi ! Sorry for this off topic posting. I will probably be offered a "Solaris sys admin / Oracle DBA" position in Amsteram, the Netherlands. Unfortunately , i have no idea of what order of magnitude salary should i get / request. I have 6 years of experience in the field. So i wanted to ask the list memebers ( who are from Amsterdam or other major European cities , which is compatible to Amsterdam in terms of costs of living / salaries) a couple of questions: what would be a reasonable salary for a relocating person of my qualifications ? What is the living cost there , i.e. an appartment to rent , food , leisure, travel , taxes ,etc.. ? How does Amsterdam compares price-wise to other Dutch cities and to other European capitals ? Thanks a lot in advance to everybody who will respond either directly to me or to the list. Cheers. P.S : Please forgive me if this off topic question bothers you ;-) DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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