Thomas - I think you've hit the nail on the head. Reminds me of a line from
the Godfather. The old Don is dying and giving his son advice on how to deal
with the other Mafia gangs. He says "Don't make them guess what you're up
to. They aren't good guessers." Consider HR an obstacle to get past so you
can get to the interview and show your stuff. You won't get that chance if
your resume ends up in the "future reference" file. Make their job easy. Put
the information they will be scanning for, like Oracle, in bold letters.
Dennis Williams
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Lifetouch, Inc.
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Certified -- schmertified; but that's gone over in detail.
As someone who used to do some hiring I'd like to address the criticism of
HR people. Yes, it's annoying when they put IT jargon in the hiring order
and then have no idea what it is that they've asked for. However, they
start the hiring process on everyone from the company courier to the PhD
Information Scientist. Do you really expect them to know the details about
the latest languages, network protocol, web usage, and Oracle? I think
that that's a tall order.
If they ask for Oracle 8i, tell them you have Oracle 8i. Save the version
details for the technical interview. The HR person is often working from a
list of specifications that were given to them. They also use resume
processing software that is looking for specific hits on specific words.
It's not the best of all worlds but it is the real world.
Rajesh.Rao
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This threads getting to be a lengthy one, and I might as well add my two
cents to it. I too come from the same school of thought. That you are OCP
certified holds no water with me. OK. So you are OCP Certified.That dont
impress me much.
One of my first questions, when I am asked to conduct an interview, is ask
them to name some of the Oracle Gurus they have read about, to name some
helpful Oracle sites, or some great white papers. The answers, almost
always, tend to reflect the level of expertise. Jonathan Lewis, Steve
Adams, Cary Millsap, Craig Shallahamer, Anjo Kolk, Tom Kyte, Kevin Loney,
Rama Velupuri, Racheal Carmicheal, ..................
Sadly, my point of view differs from that of most recruiters. I know of an
OCP who, when told that the developers were running out of temporary
tablespace, put in a request with the SA to increase the disk space for
/tmp. I also know of a HR personnel who rejected my resume coz I had no 8i
experience. Sadly, my resume said 8.1.6, 8.1.7.
Raj
Not an OCP Certified DBA
"Whatever little I know, I owe it to my ignorance".
Julia Phu
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Sorry, I can't help being quiet.
I've no respect for the OCP. I saw MANY people bought
the exams from many sources. These people memorize the
questions and answers prior the test day. Voila, they
pass the tests and still don't understand how to
install and configure the database.
I learned it on my job and am still learning. I took
the 8i exam program and was EXTREMELY disappointed. I
learned nothing.
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