>The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical >organization >will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely have
excuse me while I wipe the Diet Coke off the screen that I spit out when I read this. One DBA per project? Oh God that would be a luxury beyond belief. As I type this I am the DBA for: a new data mart/data warehouse project a new content management system project a new ecommerce project the existing "universal login" project AND the replacement project the existing asset management application the existing "community" site (bulletin boards) and anything else that needs a DBA ... and I am it, ain't no other DBAs around ...... oh yeah, I'm the data architect and data modeler on half these as well... which is REALLY funny as I have almost zero data modeling experience, other than "common sense" --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OMG! A Socialist in the group! > > "I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we ask > ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our > organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and free > up my > time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire > society > better transition to the information era and not marginalize a bunch > of > great people in the process." > > The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical > organization > will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely > have the > cash for multiple people. So a DBA ends up getting called upon do > cross the > boundary between very technical stuff as part of the SA group and > data > access/design with the applications group. Lots of room in between > here for > talented people. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:23 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I have been reading this list for the past several months as I > prepare to > move my universe of databases from 7.3 to 9 (probably 9) and I have a > rant > of my own. > > It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should be or > > should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA. > I have a slightly different take on the situation. It is a little > convoluted but I believe that the DBA world needs some additional job > > classifications. In a decent sized organization, the day to day > management > functions should be accomplished by an Admin DBA who might be someone > who > was perfectly happy spending his/her working career operating a > precision > milling machine at Boeing. Since the machinist jobs are going away, I > see > no reason why a competent machinist could not become a competent > admin DBA. > Such a person is not suited by aptitude or disposition to become a > Master > Technical DBA, but would do a great job at the admin level. > > I'll extend the analogy a little more: the manufacturing organization > does > not expect the machinist to program the machine. They either have on > staff > or bring in a numerical control programming specialist. Similarly, > the > Admin DBA should know which tasks he/she can perform and which tasks > should > be kicked up or out to the next level. > > So maybe some of the energy spent on this list about relevance of the > OCP > and discussing qualifications of DBAs (against an unspecified > standard) > could be spent defining organizational strategies for getting the > best use > out of human capital represented by "Admin DBAs" and pricing the > skill set > appropriately. The worst possible thing is to get an Admin DBA into a > > Technical DBA position. > > I think the key breakthrough is the notion that there is a DBA track > that > does not inevitably lead to Master Technical DBA. That is why I use > the > machinist analogy: somebody who is satisfied with a career spending > 25 > years doing essentially the same thing. If you are into Myers-Briggs > type > indicator, I think the personality dimension is SJ and roughly 25% of > the > population fits this profile. > > I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we ask > ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our > organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and free > up my > time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire > society > better transition to the information era and not marginalize a bunch > of > great people in the process. (Sez the man operating a three person > software company). > > Re: Hotbackups. > In the last three months I have adapted the scripts from the Kevin > Loney > book for 4 separate databases. > I have inspected them very carefully to make sure all of the files > are the > there. > I think that I understand the what, how and why of hot backups. > And I still had to go look to see that it was an alter tablespace > rather > than an alter database command to backup the tablespace. > > re Politics: > Given the rather idealistic tone of this missive, I guess I should > add that > I am down the middle Libertarian who tends to vote Republican because > I'm > most concerned about taxes. > > At 06:58 AM 7/22/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Ok, I need to vent a little. > > > >Last week, I was asked to do some tech interviews over > >the phones for a mid level DBA position. Someone with > >about 2-3 years experience. > > > >I don't consider myself a real smart DBA, nor do I > >think that I ask particularly tough questions. The > >questions that I ask potential candidates are soley > >based on what is on the resume. So I figure if > >someone has, say, hot backups or SQL tuning on their > >resumes, I'd expect them to be able to hold a fairly > >intelligent conversation about these topics. 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