Interesting article. Microsoft has been pushing the "database is the OS" idea for some time, after Uncle Larry went down that dumb path a bit. Looks like their at it again. Hopefully the Judge in the Antitrust case will see the light & break them up. Ms. Selinger's name and face rings a bell somewhere, wish I could remember more, something from my logistics past life in the AF. Damned old-age catching up. LEO I have serious questions about. That mess will more than likely push the resource limits in most computers a lot. I'm not too optimistic on the "self tuning" database either. Computer systems are way too good at responding to the immediate needs vs. the long term stability thereof. Heck we've had AI of one sort or another around for years now (http://www.ghg.net/clips/CLIPS.html) and it still is no where near as stable as the scientists would like. Anyhow, the one thing I found interesting is the ideas around data streams, since I have to work with them in our manufacturing environment. The individuals are right, they don't fit into a database environment very well. I venture we'll see a new area of software just for the purpose in the future. One that can scan through or query if you like, a data stream and do things based on the results.
Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: "Deshpande; Kirti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 8/15/2002 7:03 AM Thanks, Tim. I thought it was pretty 'interesting' response from Oracle Marketing ;) - Kirti -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good post, Kirti! Quote... "Oracle Corp. says its customers are moving toward data stores of huge size and complexity, spread over multiple locations. The company says its products will not only evolve to handle those kinds of jobs, but will also do them extraordinarily well. "Over the next couple of releases, we'll see essentially fully autonomous databases," says Robert Shimp, vice president of database marketing." --- Well, he had to say *something* after IBM and Microsoft had such cool things to announce and discuss. Assuming the past record of 3-5 years on average between releases, the "next couple releases" will take 6-15 years or so. Personally, by that time I'll be expecting artificial intelligence, rather than just *autonomy*. Of course, I'm also expecting to be dead, too... It's clear that the basic research efforts by both IBM and Microsoft continue to bear fruit. IBM has a decades-old tradition of pushing its people to PhD research, while Microsoft has just gotten started relatively recently. To my knowledge, Oracle does not have a similar program within, does it? Nevertheless, Oracle has made a living exploiting publicly available basic research (starting with its origins) and luring people from elsewhere (remember Informix's lawsuit some years ago?). As IBM, AT&T, and Xerox will attest, its really tough to keep basic research under wraps for exploitation... Still, LEO and "stream queries" aren't necessary very far off in Oracle. Well, maybe LEO is, but not "stream queries" when you consider the underlying aspects of external tables... ----- Original Message ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:28 AM > Interesting article on Query Optimization research.. > <http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,731 6> http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,7316 > 4,00.html > > - Kirti > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: <http://www.orafaq.com> http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Deshpande, Kirti > INET: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=541173213-15082002>Thanks, Tim.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=541173213-15082002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=541173213-15082002>I </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=541173213-15082002>thought it was pretty 'interesting' response from Oracle Marketing ;) </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=541173213-15082002>- Kirti </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=541173213-15082002></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><BR><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:29 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Query Optimization of the future...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good post, Kirti!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Quote...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Oracle Corp. says its customers are moving toward data stores of huge size and complexity, spread over multiple locations. The company says its products will not only evolve to handle those kinds of jobs, but will also do them extraordinarily well. "<EM>Over the next couple of releases, we'll see essentially fully autonomous databases</EM>," says Robert Shimp, vice president of database marketing."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>---</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, he had to say *something* after IBM and Microsoft had such cool things to announce and discuss. Assuming the past record of 3-5 years on average between releases, the "next couple releases" will take 6-15 years or so. Personally, by that time I'll be expecting artificial intelligence, rather than just *autonomy*. Of course, I'm also expecting to be dead, too...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's clear that the basic research efforts by both IBM and Microsoft continue to bear fruit. IBM has a decades-old tradition of pushing its people to PhD research, while Microsoft has just gotten started relatively recently. To my knowledge, Oracle does not have a similar program within, does it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nevertheless, Oracle has made a living exploiting publicly available basic research (starting with its origins) and luring people from elsewhere (remember Informix's lawsuit some years ago?). As IBM, AT&T, and Xerox will attest, its really tough to keep basic research under wraps for exploitation...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Still, LEO and "stream queries" aren't necessary very far off in Oracle. Well, maybe LEO is, but not "stream queries" when you consider the underlying aspects of external tables...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Deshpande, Kirti" <</FONT><A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";><FONT face=Arial size=2>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <</FONT><A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";><FONT face=Arial size=2>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:28 AM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Query Optimization of the future...</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Interesting article on Query Optimization research.. <BR>> </FONT><A href="http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,73 16"><FONT face=Arial size=2>http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,7 316</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> 4,00.html<BR>> <BR>> - Kirti<BR>> -- <BR>> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: </FONT><A href="http://www.orafaq.com";><FONT face=Arial size=2>http://www.orafaq.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> -- <BR>> Author: Deshpande, Kirti<BR>> INET: </FONT><A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";><FONT face=Arial size=2>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051<BR>> San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists<BR>> --------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message<BR>> to: </FONT><A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";><FONT face=Arial size=2>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in<BR>> the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L<BR>> (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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