No, I'm not saying that people using M$ products are doing so because they are stupid 
or lazy.  Perhaps they are if they refuse to even consider the alternatives.  I don't 
consider myself stupid or lazy and I'm using M$ products both at home and at work.  I 
don't like them.  I suggest alternatives to damagement every time I have the 
opportunity.  For my home machines, I have put my foot down -- neither XP nor W2K will 
ever be used in my home -- they are just too damn invasive.  I'm toying with the idea 
of getting one of those Lindows machines when I need to replace one of my current 
machines.  The only reason I don't go with full Linux is that I have not found a good 
Linux alternative to Quicken (and I'm either too busy or too lazy to write one 8-)

To restate what I said before: You always have a choice.  Some people choose to 
believe that M$ is the ONLY choice.  I don't.

Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation

If you take RAC out of Oracle you get OLE!  What can this mean?

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So basically you're saying that those of us using Microsoft products are
doing so because we're stupid or lazy to change?

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You always have a choice.  Sometimes it is difficult to make the right
choice.  Consider a high school student who is doing poorly -- they can
make the easy choice and drop out or they can make the difficult choice
and work harder.  In the case of M$, the easy choice is to accept
whatever M$ does and produces.  The difficult choice is to find a viable
alternative (and even more difficult is to sell that to management).  In
the past, M$ bought out or crushed any viable alternative; they have
been finding that more difficult lately.

Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation

If you take RAC out of Oracle you get OLE!  What can this mean?

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:09 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Gee, that's a helpful reply!  As if we have any choice!

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Stop using MS products if you are seriously worried about viruses.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Got trigger happy, so I'm resending.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:11 AM
>To: DBA List (E-mail); Fat Dba (E-mail)
>
>
>Hi,
>
>       I recieved an email today as follows:
>
>Display name of sender to me: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-DDS_MAIL
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@SUNGARD
>Address of sender to me: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-DDS_MAIL
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@SUNGARD
>
>Recipient of the infected attachment:  Kelly Grigg\Inbox
>Subject of the message:  Happy humour Epiphany
>One or more attachments were deleted
>Attachment URL.pif was Deleted for the following reasons:
>Virus W32.Klez.E@mm was found.
>
>
>Here is the repsonse from my guys:
>
>It's sending out from other domains rather sungard.com, eg.
diamonddata.com
and lazydba.com to you.  I attached the description from your first
email.
It is stating that it's being blocked when it's trying to send to you,
in
which means it's infected on their end and are being scanned/blocked on
it's
way out from their systems.  Have you contact them about the possible of
virus attach on their end. In any case, we were alarmed and run the scan
anyway. See what they can find.
>
>
>
>  
>



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