But Yechiel, what is better? Getting data that has not been committed by the application, or data that has been updated by an application without a commit being issued?
In the mssql option, do you really want to return data as valid, taking the chance that the person who updated the record may issue a "rollback"? I think it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. At least with Oracle, it's logical and under the applications control. If the user issues a commit, then the new data is available for query. If the application needs the data commited more frequently, then issuing commits more often is certainly available. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would like to point out that what you call "dirty reads" are mostly the correct reads. Oracle method IS the dirty read. I am sure that your users does at least 1000 commits to every rollback. So when oracle gives you the data it already knows that this data is wrong. If you do the query again a minute later you will get new results that were available when you did the original query but were committed later. So you get a 1000/1 chance to get incorrect data. The "dirty read" method, on the other hand, gives you the current values, believing that they will be committed in a moment. So you get 1/1000 chance to get wrong data. Which odds will you bet on? Yechiel Adar Mehish ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:18 PM List, I'm always keen to refresh on database comparisons so thanks for everyone's pointers. I'm surprised Oracle doesn't make more of an issue about their locking and concurrency methods (i.e. redo/rollback/undo). MSSQL seems to deal with it in two ways: Default: readers and writers prevent writers from accessing data until they are finished with it! Other method: no control, you just get dirty reads! Anyone got anything to add to this? Or am I wrong? - Mike. -----Original Message----- Sent: 24 October 2002 17:29 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As I said, use mssql ONLY if your boss is willing to be strapped into a MicroSlop only platform. If he's even remotely thinking of using a different OS then you can't use mssql. Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/23/2002 11:48 PM goodmorning everybody who responded to my basic question : thanks summary professional : use oracle enterprise edition semi professional : use oracle standard edition / mssql enterprise edition in all other cases mssql standard edition > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Mohammad Rafiq [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Verzonden: woensdag 23 oktober 2002 20:51 > Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Onderwerp: RE: oracle or mssql > > Xenix is history now...SCO itself stopped it sometime in 1990 > > > > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:02:19 -0800 > > XENIX maybe. > > : ) > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes > Technology Services | Services technologiques > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Is MSSQL server available on UNIX? > > -Rachna > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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