There is a product on the market that dramatically
reduces the cost of RAc to almost nothing.  Its
called:

LF ver 1.0

where LF = "license fraud".  Of course, to get it, you
will need to send me a license fee for LF, plus
ongoing maintenance costs.

:-)

Cheers
Connor

 --- Mogens_N�rgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a
bitter, old, twisted man. And I feel like it
> when I read this thread.
> 
> Here's why.
> 
> A lot of good people are celebrating the fact that
> Oracle RAC can run on 
> a two-node Intel cluster with Linux on top. Very
> cost-efficient, they say.
> 
> Well, here's my small calculation:
> 
> 1. Two 4-cpu Intel boxes: $8.000,-
> 2. Linux: 50 cents
> 3. Oracle RAC for 8 CPUs: $480.000,-
> 
> So that's 60 dollars to Oracle for every dollar to
> Dell/HP/whatever.
> 
> Here's a really bad picture, which I apologise for.
> It's not good. But I 
> cannot come up with a better, so please help me...
> 
> Imagine buying a car which can run, has seats, a
> roof, four wheels, 
> brakes, the ability to turn and go backwards,
> built-in radio, etc. Price 
> $8.000,-
> 
> Imagine that ABS brakes, airbags, anti-skid stuff
> and such cost $480.000,- .
> 
> It's not that you don't appreciate ABS, airbags,
> etc. It's not that you 
> think it's expensive to get such fantastic devices.
> But it's a lot 
> compared to the basic price of the car.
> 
> Now, excuse me for being old and bitter: What
> exactly is the reason for 
> going RAC in the first place? And why would you buy
> into something which 
> is really expensive ($60.000,- per cpu) running on
> platforms that are - 
> well - not as well-defined as the old  (and dying)
> UNIXes?
> 
> Why are you so fascinated by the fact that Intel is
> cheap and Linux is 
> cheap when Oracle is so expensive?!?
> 
> How can we talk about cheap Linxu clusters with RAC,
> when the pricing is 
> as it is? I'd say it sounds a bit like an oxymoron
> :)
> 
> Mogens
> 
> Richard Ji wrote:
> 
> >The NBD is a very interesting thing.  Thanks for
> sharing that.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:19 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >I've just finished a test implementation for a
> paper I'm presenting at IOUG
> >this spring. 
> >
> >Basically, I did an implementation on two Pentium
> II boxes running RedHat
> >7.2.  It's not too tough to install, but the real
> problem is figuring out
> >the shared storage pieces.  Since I was doing this
> on really low-end
> >hardware, I wound up doing the shared storage using
> NBD's over TCP/IP, which
> >got around the issues.
> >
> >The two docs that help best are the Implementing
> RAC on Linux doc on
> >Metalink and a document on using NBD's for RAC that
> can be found at
> >http://www.fi.muni.cz/~kripac/orac-nbd/.
> >
> >I haven't finished my paper yet, but when it's done
> I'd be happy to forward
> >it along to you.  If you are going to try this out
> in a 7.2 environment,
> >drop me an email, and I'll be happy to share the
> experiences I had.
> >
> >--Brian
> >
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Brian J. Hengen
> >Sr. Software Consultant, BMC Software
> >(303)474-4481 (voice), (303)474-4509 (fax)
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Technology doesn't stop moving forward. Neither
> should you.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:24 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Hello everyone, i've been quiet recently, for those
> of you who know what 
> >I've been up to class has been great, emergency
> medicine is really kewl.
> >
> >Now to the oracle stuff,
> >
> >We're having new requirements by multiple clients
> to ask about RAC(not 
> >necessarily on linux), so a couple of us thought,
> we'd try to implement 
> >it on a few linux servers, as an experiment to see
> how its done, etc.
> >
> >I'd really not purchase RH advanced Server 2.1 and
> just try it on rh 
> >8.0, is this even possible?, I've got like no
> experience on the 
> >clustering side of operating systems.
> >
> >I've searched the OTN, oracle and RH sites to not
> much luck.
> >
> >Anyone tried this on non RH AS 2.1 and just used
> regular RH 8.0 and if 
> >so are you willing to share the good/bad and
> otherwise of your luck with it?
> >
> >If there is something I missed in the docs on what
> I need to do to make 
> >it happen, point me that way and I'll be glad to
> read up on it.
> >
> >thanks, joe
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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