Allan, I disagree. From what I remember, rman incremental backups are also 
block-level, hence the savings in tape/disk and time.  The tradeoff is at restore 
time.   

Unless you are talking about a Veritas utility?  There's no other way I know of in 
Oracle to execute an incremental backup outside of rman.  ??  And honestly I wouldn't 
trust a third-party software tool to do it.  I use backupexec/Oracle Agent for hot 
backups, and those are complete hot backups. 

If I'm missing something please say so.  

Lisa Koivu
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Actually assuming you checkpoint or commit at least once between backups it would not 
make any difference at all.  An incremental backup catches changed files since the 
last backup which will typically be all your data files.  SCN's get updated in all 
headers if any thing changes.

Allan 

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My manager asked me to assess how much smaller our backups would be if we were doing 
incremental backups of our database files, instead of the usual hot backups.

We are running 8i on UNIX.

I know that the answer is "it depends" and "you can't really know 'till you try", but 
we are just looking for a ballpark figure, perhaps in percentages.

Our databases are between OLTP and DSS, closer to DSS environment, this being a 
scientific site.

Thanks.
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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