Even more scary was that when checking the readme.txt
file, the last version mentioned as being supported
with "backup exec" agent is 8.1.5... The exec says
it's version 5.0.1, but the Readme says 1.2 for NT.

I was told this morning, "Oh yea, I never configured the
agent yet..."

This is a "potential new customer" that we hope to take
on for tuning and DBA work.. They are not sure if they
are doing all the right things...

Trying to find a politically correct way to say, "Uh...
NO! You're not."

I'm like those who say "I'm from Missouri, show me."
If they can back up, if they can keep it 100%
invisible, they need to prove to me that one can
actually recover. To me these are "cold backups"
taken on a LIVE database and someone would have
to prove to me differently.

When I was "Ops Mgr" my operators once stopped doing
backups because it "took too long"... I put up a
10 foot banner that said "NO BACKUP IS EXACTLY
THAT!" and said if it ever happened again, I'd
be glad help them find a job.

Except for shear stupidity from induhviduals I've
not lost a table or database in years.

And on those following, I think Oracle is migrating
towards the RMAN interface for Legato and Veritas
as the "preferred" method... I've just finished
a Legato site with about 10-15 databases and once
you get all the wrinkles ironed out, it works
pretty slick. I've even got the RMAN cleaning
itself out based on what Legato wants to keep
retention wise. If Legato purges it, so do I
from RMAN. It's not bad.

Legato came to put it under the scheduler and
when he saw what all my scripts were doing including
emailing the reports and tracking things, they
kept my scripts and decided that they did
better than using the scheduler. They weren't
all that much magic, but a LOT of help from
Robert's book... THANKS ROBERT!

Maks.

-----Original Message-----
Daniel Fink
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:44 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


> Michael Kline wrote:
>
> There seems to be some big confusion if Veritas is
> working or not...

snip...

> Recovery has NEVER been tested.
>
>
> Michael Alan Kline, Sr.
> Principal Consultant
> Business to Business Solutions, LLC
> Phone: 804-744-1545  Cell: 804-314-6262
> ICQ: 1009605, 975313
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>

The two are related. If recovery has never been properly tested, you don't
know if your backups (veritas, rman, ksh/sql scripts) are working. Period.
End of story. I've encountered enough software/hardware problems to not
trust that an 'error free' backup will be recoverable.

If the database is not being taken down, or tablespaces are not being put
into backup mode, or RMAN is not being used, I'd suspect that none of the
backups are recoverable.

Daniel "The DBA's job is not to backup the database, but to recover it."
Fink

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