But if the little CD drive on the server that doesn't understand multi-session cds isn't for Stairway to Heaven what on earth can be its purpose? Surely every it-professional knows that you install from a network location whilst listening to music on the Headphones - how else do you avoid mgmt saying 'is it installed yet?'
Niall > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mladen Gogala > Sent: 14 August 2003 14:59 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Raid 1 vs Raid 5 for tablespaces > > > It robs of CPU power, that's true, but I've never seen a > place where CPU consumption would go above 30% on average. If > it does, then it's time to upgrade, or to quote the Taco Bell > dog, you need a bigger box. With approximately 70% left idle, > companies usually have a few percent of the CPU power to > dedicate for RAID-0. After all, all those boxes have nfs > daemons, sendmail, lpd/lp/CUPS, xdm/gdm, automounter and some > other daemons running. Database server seldomly needs > to export file systems, route mail (well, that comes in handy > here and there), manipulate printers or scan the units for a > music CD. If I want to play Kashmir or Stairway To Heaven, > I'm not going to (ab)use my database server for that purpose. > Those few percent spent on RAID-0 are quite insignificant in > comparison with the CPU percentage wasted by routed, gated, > walld, talkd, xdm > and alike. The sad truth is that people no longer tune their > systems, because a bigger system is actually cheaper then an > SA needed to tune it properly. We're talking about the SUV mentality > translated into IT. You don't actually care whether an > additional gallon of washing liquid is > wasting space in your SUV when you have enough room to > accommodate a medium sized elementary school in your vehicle. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -----Original Message----- > Millsap > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Problem with head-to-head price comparisons is that software > RAID level 0 has hidden costs that a lot of folk might not > understand before purchasing. For example, I would argue that > software RAID level 0 costs a heck of a lot more than the > list price, because it robs CPU capacity from your applications. > > > Cary Millsap > Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. > http://www.hotsos.com > > Upcoming events: > - Hotsos Clinic 101 in Denver, Sydney > - Hotsos Symposium 2004, March 7-10 Dallas > - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... > > > -----Original Message----- > Jesse, Rich > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:49 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > How's about price? That's pretty important to some folk. :) > > Rich > > Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:14 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Raid 1 vs Raid 5 for tablespaces > > > > > > > > > > The _only_ even theoretical advantage to software RAID-0 is that > > software RAID implementations tend to have more flexibility than the > > hardware ones. > > For example, there are a number of software RAID > > implementations that allow > > you to grow RAID-0 volumes, something that is generally not > allowed in > > hardware RAID, and most of those allow you to do it online. > > Some of the > > better software RAID implementations even allow for online > volume type > > conversion - from RAID-1 to RAID-5 when adding a third disk > > to a mirrored > > pair, as a random example. > > > > Beyond that, there's no reason to have software RAID. Any other > > extraneous advantages can be gleaned by using a traditional > VM on top > > of hardware RAID-ed devices. And even some of that stuff > is better in > > hardware. :) > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > -- > > Matthew Zito > > GridApp Systems > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Jesse, Rich > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). 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