Well-Spoken Indeed -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yes, in your experience...and maybe most of the other lister's experience...majority of the time its true... That's because you people are the best DBAs I've seen... Your experiences...10...15 years...some of you have a little over 3 years and are already experts... Of course a lot of other people are less skilled than you are... But I am not sure if you represent the rest of the US DBAs...or if I represent the rest of the 3rd world DBAs... Again, as I have said...some peopler are just better than others...that's my opinion...obviously, yours is a lot different than mine... I don't know you, Joe, well enough to judge you. So I won't call you names. Joe Testa wrote: > Fact of the matter is the majority of the time its true, like it or > not. Those of you who know me, know I DON'T do politically correct, I > call a spade a spade. > > Its true at the officer level in a company(and I'm there in the company > I'm in now), its all about dollars and cents, especially today. Thats > why you see it as much as you do. > > My example: I worked for an online training company, they were paying > me $25/hr to do online tutoring or web based oracle DBA classes., I was > with them from the beginning just like alot of other tutors from around > th world. We were told in early/mid 2002, we've decided to outsource > all tutoring to India, so if you're interested in teaching your > replacements, we'll keep you on board for a little extra time. The end > was near and someone had asked me how long I'd been doing it, how long I > was a DBA and how long did I plan on doing it, i gave them the truthful > answer, about 4 yrs, 10 years as a DBA and not much longer since it was > all being outsourced to India, got my a$$ fired from the job before my > time was up. Basically the concept was: "we can go to India and pay > $2.50, 10% of what we pay you and we really dont care about the quality > because they will pick up their English language from previous answers > you and others have submitted to students throughout the years.". > > You tell me I shouldn't have an attitude, you're as full of garbage as > them. > > Joe > > PS: for those who want to know the company, email me direct, i'll be > glad to share. > > Maria Aurora de la Vega wrote: > > > Its quite unfair for DBAs to blame their job loss/fear of job loss to > > DBAs in India or some other countries with cheaper labor. > > And to say that "you get what you pay for" or insinuating that cheaper > > labor means less quality...is definitely out of line... > > some people are just better than others...that's it...it has nothing > > to do with geography or nationality... > > some of the best DBAs...or IT professionals in general...are in fact > > indians... > > Point is its not the indians' fault jobs just come knocking at their > > doors... > > we all want better jobs and better pay...if it comes to me i'll grab > > it no doubt... would I think about other DBAs who were taken off to > > accomodate me? of course not. I have nothing to do with their decision > > to outsource...and even if I stress myself worrying about it...can I > > do anything about it? no...so, what do I do...I'd take advantage of > > course... > > I've come to believe no one is indispensable...even if you've served > > 5, 10, 15 years in a company...there's always a reason to take you out > > no matter how good you are... > > And sometimes companies think...do I really need someone that good and > > costs a lot more? or can we do with someone quite average but can get > > the job done and costs a lot less? > > > > Tony Johnson wrote: > > > >> All I know about it is that for every new job in India one more DBA > >> is out of work here in the United States. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> *From:* Ora DBA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2003 5:30 AM > >> *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > >> *Subject:* Urgent INFO needed. > >> > >> Dear Friends, > >> > >> One of my friends has got the offer from CSC india ltd. Please > >> respond this mail if any one from CSC india ltd? just to know > >> some info , thats it. > >> > >> Any info regarding this is appreciated. Please give me your mail > >> id and contacts.. > >> > >> Thanks a lot. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
