Hmmm, odd reply, Dennis. I think you may just have inserted a perjorative complexion into the reading of my email, which was most certainly not there! Or perhaps you were confusing my reply with those from others on this thread? The 'winning of friends and influencing people' as stated by DC is as relevant today as it was when first published, if a bit corny. It was, after all, written for a very different world than our own.
So you are, after all, absolutely correct in your analysis. (ps - that is a little practical Dale Carnegie for you to enjoy!) peter edinburgh > -----Original Message----- > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:20 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Offshore protests > > > Peter > If you feel the being an experienced Oracle DBA will > continue to be as > scarce a commodity as it was during the dot-com boom, then > read no further. > If however, you feel that in the future you may no longer > rely on being > treated like royalty, then I would argue that Dale has some > very relevant > points for the DBA that wants to increase interpersonal > skills. And I have > surveyed many of the self-help books being published and haven't found > anyone that says it better. The only problem, as you say with > the 50+ years > since he wrote, many of his examples are dated. > > Dennis Williams > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:14 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > "Dale Carnegie" ? ! My - that dates you! (Unless it has recently been > reprinted - after 50 years!) > > peter > edinburgh > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:55 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Offshore protests > > > > > > No problem with beating people up. Violence is, contrary to > > Chris Lawson's > > book, > > an integral part of DBA job. BTW, Chris Lawsons' "Art and > > Science of Tuning > > Oracle" > > reads like Dale Carnegie for database administrators. > > Basically, we should > > give up > > our cynical attitude, become indistinguishable from the > > HR/finance drones > > and get > > rid of our geekish culture. Really terrifying stuff. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Orr, Steve > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:35 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: Offshore protests > > > > > > > > > But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... > > > Or "make an offer they can't refuse." ;-) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > Definitely steel workers. We are being left to sweat in dark > > > and we frequently get burnt by fire. > > > > > > -- > > > Mladen Gogala > > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf > > > > Of KENNETH JANUSZ > > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:30 AM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Subject: Re: Offshore protests > > > > > > > > > > > > The labor unions would definitely be interested. > > Teamsters, Steel > > > > Workers, AFSME? > > > > > > > > Ken Janusz, CPIM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:09 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > We could make a splash by organizing a DBA union. I'm > > > sure that all > > > > > heads > > > > on > > > > > the Capitol Hill > > > > > would turn when both members show up with banners, > > > demanding better > > > > > pay > > > > for > > > > > starved database > > > > > administrators. What do you think, should we mandate > 9i OCP for > > > > > joining > > > > the > > > > > union? If we were > > > > > in London, we could have a permanent beer table at the > > > > White Heart pub > > > > > (or is it the Sphere?). We might even encounter Harry > > Purvis and > > > > > exchange the union stories. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Mladen Gogala > > > > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > > > > Of DENNIS WILLIAMS > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:45 AM > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Subject: Offshore protests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks as if tech workers are learning the basics of > > protesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.j> > > html?articleID=15000146 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > > > > > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA > > > > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > > > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 > > > > http://www.fatcity.com > > > > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web > > > > hosting services > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Orr, Steve > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 > http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web > > hosting services > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > > from). 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