Rule of thumb, NEVER trust the third party vendor to have it right.  Call YOUR Oracle 
sales rep & get his/her advice.  We've had an application sold to us "with Oracle 
licenses" when the third party vendor was not licensed by Oracle to do so.  Mind you 
as long as the contract between you and the third party vendor states that they are 
selling you a database license Oracle is nice about things. But still it can get 
sticky!!!

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA

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Our apps that use Oracle come with an "Application license".  By the terms
of this license, we get to use that Oracle DB for that app and that app
alone.  The DB support comes from the app vendor and not Oracle.  Not
feeling particularly comfortable with this arrangement, we purchased
separate Oracle licenses in order to get "Silver support" directly from
Oracle, as I've yet to meet a vendor who had a grip on the DBs they sell
with their product.

Then again, these were "network concurrent user" licenses, which
unfortunately no longer exist.  Perhaps a low-end 5-user named license would
work for you.

HTH!  GL!  :)

Rich

Rich Jesse                           System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                  Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA


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We are purchasing a software package from a vendor.  The vendor states that
the package includes sufficient Oracle licenses.  Since I'm supposed to keep
on top of our licensing costs, I'm trying to make sure that there are no
surprises down the road - such as additional Oracle support fees or Oracle
claiming that we don't have this new box licensed, etc.  How can the vendor
prove that they are providing a license?  When I asked them for some type of
proof, they forward the OLSA to me, which is basically generic - it doesn't
tell me if the license is SE, EE, SE One, perpertual, term, CPU, Named User,
etc.  Any thoughts or do I just take their word for it?

Thanks,
Jay
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