> It needs not to have the same capabilities, it needs to have capabilities that people > are using.
Um, that's what I said, or at least meant. On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 20:04, Mladen Gogala wrote: > It needs not to have the same capabilities, it needs to have capabilities that people > are using. The primary capabilities that people need, in my opinion, are a decent > scripting language, with the full complement of the database triggers, procedures, > packages and functions, ability to store/access/administer huge objects, hundreds > of gigabytes in size, a decent SQL implementation with plethora of functions and a > support for standard APIs like JDBC, ODBC, OLE and DBI. A good compiler support > with something similar to long extinct SQL*Module (originally an IBM technology) > and > there would be huge number of users. Fortunately for oracle, MySQL still has problems > with the most basic things: transactions, versioning, locking and SQL > implementation. > My conclusion is that MySQL will never be much more then a toy, despite the hype, > catchy name and apparent popularity. I see much more dangerous adversaries in > UDB (artist formerly known as DB2) and PostgresSQL. If IBM decides to play open > source on Unix, and there are rumors of IBM musing over such a move, Oracle > would most probably be toast. I must say that after some oracle's mischiefs, I > wouldn't be the last one to defect and switch the databases. I wasn't the last one > to leave DEC either, despite the fact that I was teaching VMS courses in 1992. > My point is that Oracle is extremely feature rich. Very few people are using more > then 20% of the database capabilities. Initially, in V8, I worked hard to learn about > the Object PL/SQL, datatypes and classes. Believe it or not, I've never seen it used > in production. By now, I've forgotten it all. It's almost the same situation with > Java > in the database. Very few are using it. Most people test it, then say "aha!" and > move > on. Those two features will not make a whole lot of difference when a viable > competitor > emerges. Oracle 10g was written, for the most part outside of US. With beta testing > this closed and restricted, it's not going to be tested thoroughly, not even close > to thoroughly. > What we are likely to get is an unstable, buggy and almost unusable "gridlock" > version. > Competitor might emerge sooner then some people are realizing. > > On 2004.01.19 20:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If MySQL comes to have the same capabilities that many people expect > > from Oracle, marketing will have no effect. The huge differential in > > price > > point will be all that matters. > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 01/19/2004 04:04 PM > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Subject: RE: Oracle vs Mysql > > > > > > Sounds like the old Oracle vs. Ingress battles. Oracle won because it was > > better at marketing. All detailed in the book "The Difference Between God > > and Larry Ellison". I can see it now -- MySQL, the Oracle of the free > > databases. > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:39 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Ryan, > > > > It's postgres.org. I'm not sure how they generate the > > operating > > revenue they need, but that's why they are not advertising like MySql AB > > is. > > > > Dick Goulet > > Senior Oracle DBA > > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:05 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > i thought postgre was a for profit company? how do they generate revenues? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:19 PM > > > > > > > 1) DBI is a perl module to handle the communication with various > > databases. > > > 2) Postgres is free. I believe that you can buy commercial support, but > > I > > don't know > > > where. May be Rich can jump in with that. > > > 3) DBI is free and so is perl. I'm cheap & easy, but not free. > > > > > > > > > On 01/14/2004 02:34:52 PM, Ryan wrote: > > > > what is DBI? > > > > > > > > is postgre free? Is it like linux where you pay for support? I cant > > find > > any > > > > licensing info on the website. Most shops dont need oracle, sql > > server, > > > > sybase, or DB2. > > > > > > > > Most applications are small. I was on a project where the government > > had > > an > > > > Oracle EE license on windows. They didnt even use foreign key > > constraints. > > > > Had a whopping 13 tables, 20 MB of data, and 10-15 users. Any free > > database > > > > could have handled that. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 01/14/2004 12:44:25 PM, "Jesse, Rich" wrote: > > > > > > If you have the choice, look at PostgreSQL in addition to MySQL. > > From > > > > what > > > > > > I've seen, it's more mature than MySQL. > > > > > > > > > > I second that. PostgresSQL supports transactions and uses perl as > > its > > > > > scripting language. From what little I read and saw (just a little > > pilot > > > > > project with the goal to see "what the heck is Postgres"), it's a > > very > > > > > decent database, with a decent performance and capabilities > > sufficient > > > > > for a small, departmental database server. I know nothing of > > clustering, > > > > > distributed database, database links, replication and alike. In > > other > > > > words, > > > > > I wouldn't use it for an enterprise-wide server for GE or Wall-Mart, > > but > > > > > it can be quite a convenient storage space for a small corner shop > > or > > a > > > > > small department. Because of perl and DBI, exchanging data with > > other > > > > > servers like oracle or UDB (DB2) is easy. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Mladen Gogala > > > > > Oracle DBA > > > > > -- > > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > > -- > > > > > Author: Mladen Gogala > > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting > > services > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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You may > > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mladen Gogala > > > Oracle DBA > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Mladen Gogala > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Ryan > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Goulet, Dick > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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