Eric, you got it dead right in every respect..Full Stop...I can stand here and defend George til the die I die...I can do so with something on my side that (likely) no one else here can do...George sued the hell out of me and won..big money...for something that some one else did to him...I just happened to have received the plants to grow for the jerk that shafted George...We were bitter enemies for years and he bruited my name around as such..even on this forum...SO...when I stand up and am counted and can state the George has now been screwed worse than he did me..It SHOULD count for something...As Eric said..He is actually a warm and friendly guy...NOT an enemy of the people..We have resolved our problem since this mess...We are now firm friends and he now knows what he did to me. ...Shouldn't I have been happy as hell that this all happened to him when I first heard of it??? Not a chance...The government has been vindictive..way over the line...Kovach...he of the real theft story...got away with his actions with little penalty...Go figure? One hopes that a better outcome may yet transpire...but with this type of regime in power...I would not hold my breath...Bill _______________________________________________ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids