Off topic again, hope y'all don't mind. - The Aztecs absorbed the active components of their ethnobotanicals by enema in many cases because of their rapid breakdown by digestive enzymes. In some cases, as with Salvinorin, stomach enzymes completely inactivate the compound and it is actually absorbed by the oral mucosa while the leaves are masticated, or in the tradition Mazatec manner, the juice ground out an a matate and drank. (Actually the Mazatec curanderos state the Western manner of smoking the leaves is "like burning your children").
The somatosensory "body high" (eg. Datura) is seperate from the cerebral visual-audial fantasmagorical light show "intellectual high" of 5-hydroxytryptamine like compounds such as those in peyote, San Pedro, Psilocybin mushrooms, and Ayahuasca: and seperate from the Zen like, awake- dreaming, total loss of ego, walk-into-the-Sistine-chapel-and-look-up sort of a reverse-hallucinogen "spiritual high" such as Salvia divinorum; or so I've heard. Actually orchids are hallucinogenic enough in their own right. The Maker must have been on something and tripping when He created them. Somebody "kick me in the head" if I stop being lucid and start sounding bleary-Leary. Shamanic tradition is an old respectable one. But then it has also given us tobacco. Now, no one take the idea of rat-tail leaf enemas seriously, Not "i" ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:04:23 -0500 From: "e.muehlbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] hallucinogenic ethnobotanicals To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, the solution to Peyote nausea is an enema, rather than a suppository. they have actually found Mayan (I believe...I may be wrong and they could be Aztec) engravings of people getting enema's. I also recall at least one college friend who enthused about peyote enema's.....However, the nauseating compounds in peyote are separate from the hallucinogenic ones. Supposedly, Trichocereus pachanoi (San Pedro) and its hallucinogenic congenerics do not contain the nauseating alkaloids. While I grow San Pedro cactus, along with T. peruvianus, I have not sampled them, so I cannot vouch for this aspect of their use. (But Trichocereus does make an excellent grafting stock). However, someone who did try it simply described it as disgusting and slimy, not nauseating. I wish I had known about Oncidium cebolleta before I gave mine away...(after growing it for 10+ years)...but for curiosity value only...I can't conceive of ingesting alkaloids I have never heard of....Take care, Eric Muehlbauer in Queens NY...Paphs haynaldianum, delanatii, and emersonii in bloom..... _______________________________________________ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [email protected] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
