I owe David an apology, it seems quite clear that the information I was give was incorrect on Dockrillias. I believe that it was give in light of the papers mentioned by Ian Chalmers. I didn't research the facts, I didn't have reason to, because of the people who passed it on. I put my comment in, not to start a war, just as it was known to me.  At a club meeting on Friday night the guest speaker also was unsure what to call them.  I did believe that if one puts in info on this or any forum that corrections could be made in a civil manner and maybe they still can be. I hoped in my original post that if someone could clarify the issue, please could they. I'm not sure the replies were corrections or attacks for putting in something in good faith or for being wrong, it seemed that way.  Anyway the Dockrillias they are.
Roy.

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