Peter,

Thanks for pointing out a slight flaw in my proposal. I shall amend it.

What I was getting at is this, flasks are traded all over the world 
right now of all types of Paph. species and hybrids. Border 
authorities who inspect the shipments let all flasked seedlings in 
and don't question whether the parents were legal or not.

In your own country of Canada there are lots of plants of vietnamese 
species and hybrids including helenae, hangianum, vietnamense etc. 
These have been showing up at meetings and in shows. This is 
happening not only in Canada but here in the US and throughout the 
E.U. There are now tens of thousands of these plants around.

Let me give you a couple hypothetical situations. Suppose someone in 
Peru has legal plants of any appendix 1 Paph. or Phrag. species and 
they produce x number of seedlings for export. What if they produce 
plants from seed that were not from legal approved plants? How can 
one tell that a Paph. rothschildianum flask for instance was produced 
from legal or illegal parents? Because Paph. rothschildianum is so 
common in trade and have been around for many years I don't think 
anyone will trouble themselves trying to figure out whether the 
seedlings in the flask were from legal parents or not. So it is 
conceivable that someone in Malaysia or any far eastern country could 
have legal plants of rothschildianum but if they were unscrupulous 
they could go into the wild and collect seed, germinate it and send it out.

The vietnamese species are now so prevalent due to flasked seedling 
trade that the threat to the wild populations (what is left) is 
greatly reduced from plant collectors. The threat then moves to 
climate change or land conversion. It is my hope that the land is 
left alone and that new seedlings that were ungerminated can 
regenerate the population.

The Taiwanese nurseries in the beginning produced the  majority of 
these flasks and when I did ask the questions I was told they were 
from legal parents that had permits. the Vietnamese management 
authority has claimed that no permits were ever issued to their 
knowledge. Now these plants are being and have been reproduced in 
many hybrids and in sib crosses of the species. We are now seeing 
second, third and fourth generations of some of these plants. When 
does one say enough is enough? the only way one could track legal 
plants is to put genetic markers in them and then if they came into 
question one could tell I suppose if the genetic research was done. 
Who would pay for all of that?

In 10 or 15 years will anyone care about Phrag. kovachii as to 
whether any plants around were produced from legal seedlings? No, 
because it would be common knowledge that all the plants in trade 
were from legal sources. The point is several generations out it 
really doesn't make any difference. Getting the plants into 
cultivation as quickly as possible through seed production is the 
best means to prevent species loss from exploitation, land conversion 
or climate change.

Being that the system that is place doesn't work now we should just 
forget about trying to regulate flasks. It can't be done.

Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer

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