Hey Nick, good point, 
        It is not just the size difference that disturbs me, the flower 
differences, especially the structure of the lip. Growth pattern is quite 
different, not simply bigger. Also Laelia tenenbrosa etc tend to be 
fragrant, Sophronitis cernua is not, while not a critical factor, it does 
speak to inhereted traits and adaptation to pollenators. The whole 
"gestalht" is wrong, if the group were lined up in flower next to each 
other, you would not naturally say they belong together, by eye you would 
group the Laelias into one group, and the Sophronitis into another, and 
the Rupiculous Laelias into a third. This does count for something. 
Clearly the molecular guys are missing something important if their 
groupings do not line up with the morphological groupings. A hetrogenous 
genus tends to get split in usage regardless of the intent of the 
taxonomists. For example, for many years we referred to Brazilian 
Miltonias as a horticulturally distinct group from the Colombian 
Miltonias. Low and behold, by the 1980's, the genus Miltoniopsis was 
created and the Colombian Miltonias now belong to that group, it was 
simply logical. I predict that the horticultural community will not accept 
these over-broad genera, and come up with a way of distinguishing them, or 
just ignore these changes all together. 
        To K, I'm not going to "Drink the Kool-Aide" just yet, I'm not 
changing tags until Christiansen, Braem & a few other taxonomists who do 
touch living specimens sign on. Molecular taxonomy is absolutely usless 
for field work. Christiansen has a very valid point illustrated by the 
capabilities of national universities of Peru. They absolutely must rely 
on traditional taxonomy for their national flora surveys, the ability to 
do the molecular work does not exist now, nor will it any time soon. The 
countries with largely undocumented floras are the very countries that for 
economic reasons can not use molecular cladistics. So molecular cladistics 
must adapt itself to traditional taxonomy, not the other way around. The 
molecular cladisitcs, if done right should yeild overall about the same 
number of genera with similar homogenous traits inside the genus, with as 
few as reasonable odd balls in each grouping. When that happens they have 
the sensitivity right. Right now I don't think they have it right. 
        To VB -  The subsidiary of BASF I am involved in does chemical 
intermediates for modifying the set up characteristics of concrete. 
Admixtures to be specific. The day job does not involve molecular biology. 
 So I have no opportunity to do my own research in this field. I simply 
work in a small QC Lab, process control at a small manufacturing facility. 

Leo



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