Simply crushed to hear about David...a dear friend...Will wait to send message to him...as for the Cycnoches..I too have failed with them...Strangely they used to grow find for me up until a few years ago...and as said..I likely have over watered them,,,As I grew them in moss and wet like my Stanhopeas..which thrive for me..never killed one..So apparantly watering infrequently must be the charm..who knows what they think is their dry period here in Hawaii..but Jeff Parker grows them superbly on Maui...I guess we should talk to him...Bill Bergstrom _______________________________________________ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com