>On Jul 28, 2008, at 6:00:03 AM, Mark wrote:
>With the jump in the price of energy, supposedly there will be high?
>heating bills this winter, I was wondering what effect this maybe having?on 
people who grow orchids especially in colder climates?
>Here in Central New York, USDA Zone 5, home greenhouses are extremely rare to 
begin with. We moved to a small ranch 12 years ago, & three years ago we 
installed all new windows. During the winter, I grow my orchids & tropical 
bonsai in a basement plant room under fluorescent lights. It is too warm, & I 
would just as soon find a way to keep it cooler, possibly a thermostat that 
goes 
lower at night than our present one. Most of our club members grow orchids on 
windowsills.
>Global warming is affecting many temperate climates. There is talk that the 
Syracuse area is now in Zone 6, but USDA has not published a new official map 
yet.
>Iris
>  

>On July 29, Tennis writes:
When I had the three growrooms indoors before building the GH (just 
seconds before oil prices rose - my typical luck!), I ran the lights at 
night. It started when I had fluorescents and then when I switched to 
HIDs I vented them to the furnace cold air return. Leaving the furnace 
fan on, the lights heated the house through the winter and the furnace 
seldom if ever fired up. Though you may not be able to vent 
fluorescents, they do produce a good bit of heat, as mine did before I 
switched to HIDs. If it's practical for you, enclose the room if only 
with sheets of hanging plastic, block out natural light from the room 
they're in and run the lights at night when it's naturally colder; 
during the day you'll have a 'natural' temperature drop. If the room is 
still too warm at night, vent it as a whole into the furnace air return 
and let the furnace fan do the work and help heat the house at the same 
time.

Tennis


Tennis' idea of capturing the heat produced from the lighting and ducting it to 
the cold air return of the home's furnace is an excelant idea. The only problem 
is for those of us that have hot water heat, this would not be practical. One 
could vent a basement grow room to the outdoors by a piece of round metal duct 
with an inline fan that is controlled by a thermostat that has a day and night 
setting. This way the temperature can be dropped to the level you wish to drop 
it to at night. 
>



At this time, I have been giving thought to building a greenhouse but have 
reservations due to heating costs. I have been researching heat saving features 
for eventual use. I thought this infot might be very useful for others as well.




To decrease heating costs, in a greenhouse, one can utilize passive and/or 
active soar technology. This can involve an initial outlay of money but, at the 
cost of rising heating prices, can be recouped quickly in savings. 
1.More heat is lost through the roof of a greenhouse than through the side 
walls because hot air rises. Replacing the polycarbonate on the roof of a 
greenhouse with 5 or 7-wall plycarb. would insulate the greenhouse better and 
save on heating costs.









2.The area above the sidewalls is space that does not need to be heated, at 
night. So, retractable, thermal, shades trap heated air where it is needed, in 
the area of the greenhouse where the plants are. These can be manually opened 
during the day or, for a larger outlay of funds, they can be hooked to a 
control box and opened by a motor, by throwing a switch or set on a timer. It 
should be noted that after a snow storm, one would want to have them opened to 
help melt off the snow load. 
3. One could use black, plastic barrels that are filled with water as bench 
supports or in a row against the southand west walls of the greenhouse to trap 
solar heat during the day and passively release it at night. Even racks of 
water filled, plastic, gallon, milk jugs could be utilized for this purpose, at 
little or no expense (one can raid recycling bins throughout the area on 
garbage day). 
4. There are many active solar options that can be retofitted to an existing 
greenhouse. One that I have been giving thoughts to is to run black, flexible, 
plastic pipe, in the peak of a greenhouse and have it plumbed to the home's hot 
water return to the furnace or a heat exchange unit, to help heat the house or 
greenhouse. Another option with this would be to plumb the black plastic water 
barrels together and make a closed system with the black plastic flexible 
piping in the peak and combine passive and active solar together to suppliment 
the greenhouse heating. It would require a circulating pump that is run only 
during the day. I plan on enquiring into phtoelectric cells to run the 
circulating pump. 



>I hope this info can be helpful to others. More info and techniques, of using 
>solar energy, can be found in books and with internet searches.

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