I finally have a working implementation, with some pretty ugly 
(platform-dependent) limitations - good enough for now, but I decided to 
open a feature request 
<https://github.com/orientechnologies/orientdb/issues/3215> for an option 
to encoding variable-size integers in a more CPU-friendly way.

On Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:10:46 PM UTC+1, mindplay.dk wrote:
>
> Looks like your implementation is a source to source port?
>
> So I'm none the wiser.
>
> This may be possible in PHP, but it's going to be based on horrible 
> work-arounds, it will be slow, and it will have some ugly limitations.
>
> Really sad to get this far and have to drop the whole thing because of 
> such a small trivial technical thing, but this is obviously not a good fit 
> for PHP, and with the limitations this will have, it doesn't seem like it's 
> going to be worth the effort.
>
> Now thinking about writing a binary driver in Zephir. But I really don't 
> want a PHP module for something that is without a doubt going to need 
> ongoing maintenance and continuous upgrades.
>
> The only other option is the REST API, which might be a more realistic 
> choice for PHP - this was actually my first choice, because PHP isn't 
> really suitable for a binary driver, I guess I hadn't realized yet just 
> *how* unsuitable it is...
>
> However, I gave up on the REST API earlier, because it turns out it 
> denormalizes links:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/orient-database/EKPK0oBK1i8
>
> Should I file this as a bug report? I guess it might be "by design", but 
> it seems like a strange choice - why wouldn't it work just like the binary 
> API, just with data-structures in JSON of course, but not with substantial 
> differences in terms of the data/structures you get in a response? And 
> certainly not duplicating data structures, which adds unnecessary encoding 
> overhead on the server, network overhead, and decoding overhead on the 
> client...
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM, GoorMoon <> wrote:
>
>> sorry for PHP :),
>>
>> look in the class OVarIntSerializer.java
>> here 
>> https://github.com/orientechnologies/orientdb/tree/master/core/src/main/java/com/orientechnologies/orient/core/serialization/serializer/record/binary
>>
>> On Friday, December 12, 2014 8:12:49 PM UTC+2, mindplay.dk wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no byte type in PHP, hahaha... I know, right?! :-)
>>>
>>> There is only one integer type in PHP, and it's always signed, and 
>>> always 32-bit or 64-bit depending on your hardware and OS.
>>>
>>> So of course you can juggle values within byte-range, but you can't do 
>>> unsigned bit arithmetic because there is no unsigned integer type, so it's 
>>> going to be clunky.
>>>
>>> And it's going to be horrendously slow since every byte you're working 
>>> with is actually 32 or 64 bits, and every arithmetic or bitwise operation 
>>> is actually a full word or long-word operation.
>>>
>>> All in all, writing it in PHP probably isn't a good choice to begin 
>>> with, as PHP just isn't suitable for this kind of low-level stuff.
>>>
>>> My colleague suggests writing a PHP module wrapper for the C API, but 
>>> that's not a great option either - proliferation is a really big concern 
>>> for me, I'd like to have something you can deploy in most hosting 
>>> environments without building a custom extension.
>>>
>>> I really hope to see OrientDB catch on and become a real alternative to 
>>> MySQL, but step one is a working client. I'm not even a fan of PHP 
>>> particularly, but it is the leading web platform, and it's what I do for a 
>>> living, so... :-)
>>>
>>> Where in the OrientDB codebase is variable-size integers implemented?
>>>
>>> Or is a native Java feature? If so, it must be documented somewhere?
>>>
>>> This is a huge roadblock for something that should be trivial, so I can 
>>> get to implementing the actual protocol and client - the documentation 
>>> really needs to include a proper description and/or links and/or reference 
>>> implementation, preferably all of those... I am completely in the dark here.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM, GoorMoon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What if you use byte array to represent and manipulate variable-size 
>>>> integers ?
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 12, 2014 4:56:57 PM UTC+2, mindplay.dk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yikes, I blew my entire day on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't find a PHP implementation, can't get a port to work, because PHP 
>>>>> only has one numeric type, and it's a 32-bit signed integer.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's worse, it's platform-dependent and could be either 32-bit or 
>>>>> 64-bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm afraid we're at a dead end with this client, unless somebody else 
>>>>> can figure out how to read/write variable-size integers, or unless 
>>>>> OrientDB 
>>>>> offers a protocol option for clients in languages that don't have proper 
>>>>> support for native numerical types... man, PHP stinks :-(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Rasmus Schultz <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know, but that's hardly a specification - not enough to reference 
>>>>>> for an implementation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now, I will try to port your implementation...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:49 PM, GoorMoon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can look hear https://github.com/orientechnologies/orientdb/
>>>>>>> wiki/Record-Schemaless-Binary-Serialization#shortintegerlong
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:44:01 PM UTC+2, mindplay.dk wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to hear that, thanks :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So on a related note - the "varint" type used in the OrientDB 
>>>>>>>> binary protocol, what specification does it follow precisely? Because 
>>>>>>>> apparently there are lots 
>>>>>>>> <http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php/Variable_Length_Integer> of 
>>>>>>>> ways to encode a variable-size integer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sort of wish there was an option for the client to disable 
>>>>>>>> variable-length integers in the protocol, instead encoding them with a 
>>>>>>>> fixed size.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can implement UTF-8 style reading/writing of variable-size 
>>>>>>>> integers in PHP, but this is going to add considerable CPU overhead - 
>>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>>> the case of a PHP client (probably other scripting languages too) a 
>>>>>>>> small 
>>>>>>>> amount of bandwidth overhead is likely preferable to CPU overhead. 
>>>>>>>> What we 
>>>>>>>> want is a fast client - whether that means using a little more 
>>>>>>>> bandwidth is 
>>>>>>>> probably secondary, as is the ability to support more than 2 billion 
>>>>>>>> records for most projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just putting that out there :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But for the time being, can you point me to a specification or 
>>>>>>>> (better) a reference implementation (in any language) of the VLI 
>>>>>>>> encoding 
>>>>>>>> used by OrientDB?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can reference the one in GoorMoon's .NET driver 
>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/orientechnologies/OrientDB-NET.binary/blob/binary.serialization/src/Orient/Orient.Client/Protocol/Serializers/RecordBinarySerializer.cs#L502>,
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> or the one on wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8>, but 
>>>>>>>> neither of them appear to have tests, and I'm unsure how to test them. 
>>>>>>>> Go 
>>>>>>>> has a nice implementation 
>>>>>>>> <http://golang.org/src/encoding/binary/varint.go> with tests 
>>>>>>>> <http://golang.org/src/encoding/binary/varint_test.go>, but since 
>>>>>>>> there are so many types of VLI which don't appear to have any official 
>>>>>>>> names or standardization, I can't be sure it's the same type of 
>>>>>>>> encoding...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Luca Garulli <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Authors of drivers have such kind of high priority on requests :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lvc@
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11 December 2014 at 23:29, GoorMoon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear !!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:41:05 PM UTC+2, mindplay.dk 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, spotted it :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Rasmus Schultz <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was a fast decision - very happy to see them reacting to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this issue so quickly and slating it for the 2.0 release! :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm referencing a bunch of your code for my client now, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hung up on a small issue, maybe you can point me in the right 
>>>>>>>>>>>> direction...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The so-called "varint" type in the binary serialization - I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand it's a variable-size integer, encoded like UTF-8 
>>>>>>>>>>>> character 
>>>>>>>>>>>> codes. Where or how do you handle this in your implementation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Rasmus Schultz <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Posted here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/orientechnologies/orientdb/issues/3175
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:10 PM, GoorMoon <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am agree with you, but this not our decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest you to open issue here https://github.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientechnologies/orientdb that describe your purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:55:46 AM UTC+2, mindplay.dk 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This looks great, thanks! So much simpler than the CSV 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serializer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see that you do have to buffer the record in memory still, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I suspected. I really do wish they would make the change I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below, putting the record format before the actual record - I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't need to buffer records in memory before you can 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deserialize. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2014 1:09 PM, "GoorMoon" <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know about PHP driver but, i contribute to .NET 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Driver https://github.com/orientechnologies/OrientDB-NET.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i implemented a lot of features of Binary Serializer, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may help you with your question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About RECORD_LOAD i don't have any problem and get document 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in binary format.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:15:13 PM UTC+2, mindplay.dk 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are well aware that this is no small undertaking, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we believe in OrientDB and we think it's worthwhile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > one big step is actually implement the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serialize/deserialize  of hte document correctly from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binary 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serialization
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To my knowledge, that has not been done in php yet, by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone? All existing implementations, including the fork by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ostico, support 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only the CSV style serialization. The binary serialization 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format actually 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ought to be a lot easier to implement, as it won't require a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine/parser like the CSV format - and also should be a lot 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more CPU 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly, memory efficient, and less bandwidth overhead, so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're targeting 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that exclusively.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're also targeting the most recent protocol, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already differs substantially from what we were able to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing implementations, which are based on older versions 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protocol. We hope to support the final version of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protocol when 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OrientDB 2.0 is released - we do not want this client library 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to only 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support a legacy protocol from inception.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As said though, it doesn't appear that REQUEST_RECORD_LOAD 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respects the serializer setting - it appears to always return 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> records in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the CSV format. If this a missing feature or server-side 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue, we won't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get very far with our client anytime soon... Either way, we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need someone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who can at least answer the question and help set us on the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right path.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this moment, we are stalled, since we don't even know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the server is behaving correctly, or whether we need to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support the CSV 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Emanuel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We have also other drivers php this one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/orientechnologies/php-orientdb that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also already have a few forks (example this : 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/Ostico/PhpOrient ).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i would like to say that is better have less drivers more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update and i warn you, write a driver from scratch is not so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway you are free to do so ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one big step is actually implement the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serialize/deserialize  of hte document correctly from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binary 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serialization, that is quite complex and can be also target 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution/optimization in not to far future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here in orient we are evaluating to give an easier way to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read/write the document on the binary protocol, but i will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open another 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread on this :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bye 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emanuel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 11:48 AM, Rasmus Schultz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doctrine is the only one of those projects that still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any traction - and it's a full scale data mapper, what 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we need is a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple driver/client. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We are of course referencing those projects for lots of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation details, but we're shooting for something 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much simpler and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more low-level, something people can use to build their own 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mappers/DAO/AR 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementations on top of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We're also designing the whole thing using very basic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOP patterns (no traits) in the hopes of porting this to a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native extension 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. Zephir) eventually.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We're also designing the whole thing with zero 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies on other libraries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  So we have somewhat different objectives from the other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects, and more of a minimalist mindset, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 PM, 'Curtis Mosters' via 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OrientDB <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well there is no other Google Group. But why not use the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Github already existing PHP OrientDB projects?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/AntonTerekhov/OrientDB-PHP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/doctrine/orientdb-odm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://packagist.org/packages/orientdb-php/orientdb-php
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know but this would be way better to do it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 9. Dezember 2014 11:38:07 UTC+1 schrieb 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mindplay.dk: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a different group for developers with more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical questions? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I want to help bring OrientDB to php - is this the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right place for that? Or is nobody interested?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 5:19:07 PM UTC+1, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mindplay.dk wrote: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to tackle REQUEST_RECORD_LOAD as the first 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful function in my PHP client. (I have the basics like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect and open, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error handling, etc. working so far.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This being a PHP client, one major concern for me, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to avoid parsing (with a state machine, as was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary with the old 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format) since this is extremely inefficient in PHP - this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one reason I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> targeting OrientDB 2.0 and the new binary format 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively, as this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to make that possible (?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Unfortunately, the response format 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of REQUEST_RECORD_LOAD itself appears to make that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [(payload-status:byte)[(record-content:bytes)(record-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version:int)(record-type:byte)]*]+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In order to read sequentially over "record-content", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to know the "record-type" in advance, so the order 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of this data 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to be wrong? I believe the record format of each 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> payload chunk 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would need to backwards, basically:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [(payload-status:byte)[(record-type:byte)(record-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version:int)(record-content:bytes)]*]+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Otherwise, I am forced to load the whole 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> record-content into memory first, before I can know how 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to interpret the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Or am I missing something here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Also, it appears the "record-content" is in the old 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CSV format, regardless of my having selected the new 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binary serialization 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format? Does the REQUEST_RECORD_LOAD command not support 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new binary 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serialization format? Is it not supported everywhere yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I really do not want a client that has to load and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then parse in two stages - this adds considerable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity, run-time 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overhead, and duplicates everything in-memory while 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading. I'm probably 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing something wrong or missing something obvious?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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