Can you please help me identify the names of these two models and of their
creators?

I will hand over this one, when I do that I like to write the proper credit
on the fold, but I don't know what's its name or who created it:
https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26804783_2008433305839304_8374807972312732915_n.jpg?oh=c9bf52c861abbacf4dea7de82bea9772&oe=5AE99B2F

I had already asked about this other one with no avail, but now I REALLY
need an answer because it's part of an article I'm writing. I learned the
model thanks to "Beginner's Origami" by Steve and Megumi Biddle. A friend
of them both told me they knew the model since their early days, so maybe
it's a traditional model. Can you PLEASE verify if it's a traditional model
or not?
https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26814619_2008432759172692_7649871697482355437_n.jpg?oh=b640eb8c8c3bb7a271e42b934864a09f&oe=5AF9E958

Thank you in advance.


Gerardo
gerardo(a)neorigami.cokm

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