> On 11 Jul 2021, at 19.37, David Mitchell <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Michel Grand has pointed out to me that diagrams are also in the book
> 'Noshi' by Isao Honda, published, I think in 1964, where he calls it a
> Tortoise-Shell (because it is kind of hexagonal in shape).
Yes, my copy says "First print July 1964", and the Tortoise-Shell is number 17,
page 44.
> Honda says nothing about its origin.
The book declares it has "20 two-color classic ORIGAMI diagrams, 11 Origami
patterns, folded crepe paper, and full directions for making NOSHI, plus an
actual sample".
I would read this as if the design number 17 (which is two-color and has a
number less than 20) is classic origami for sure, at least in Honda's opinion.
> I thought at first this settled the matter and that it was therefore not by
> Yoshizawa. Then I remembered the dreaded Honda / Yoshizawa controversy which,
> as far as I know, has never been successfully resolved.
>
> Nothing is ever simple ...
Indeed. The more so that Yoshizawa is not careful about pointing out which
designs are his, and his books have several models that clearly are not his,
but simple, traditional models. The same goes for Honda who often will state if
a model is classic, but seldom, if ever, clearly states if a design is his.
A model does not become "Yoshizawa" just because somebody learned the model
from that source or because it occurs in a book of his.
I would continue as if the model is public domain and call it "traditional" in
the meaning of this word: "old, widespread (it occurs in several places), and
of unknown origins".
As "old" is a relative word, new traditional models a bound to occur over time.
Regards,
Hans
