At 10:10 24.11.00 , you wrote:
>I quite agree with you Robert. I love Orion..and tell everyone I know to use
>it becuase of its great performance, features and so on. Lately though I
>haven't seen either Karl or Magnus on IRC chatting, nor have I seen an email
>in the list from them on any regular basis. I know myself and a few others
>are offering a good set of frameworks to be shipped with Orion and haven't
>heard a response in over a week of submitting the proposal. The frameworks
>would benefit Orion in that it would be like the big boys..offering more
>than just an app server. We would fully document them, support them, and
>they are open-source, so unlike Orion, if anything goes wrong, they are
>fixable by the ones using it. I quite agree that Orion should make source
>available for the use of allowing us to fix bugs if they crop up, and submit
>them for the Orion team to examine and if its a good fix, put it in the next
>build. This would require more people however..managing a product like Orion
>with lots of bug fixes coming in, merging them, testing them and so on..that
>would require alot of managing, and I get the feeling Magnus and Karl would
>rather write code than integrate fixes from many other people.
I strongly disagree. let's compare what happens now and what would happen then.
now: I try to describe the problem that causes the bug to show maybe add
some pseudocode and maybe even package an application with instructions how
to reproduce the bug. they have to go through that maybe program a test
case or at least install my test application and then start looking.
then: I'd do all the stuff myself until I see that there is e.g. a wrong
conditional at line xyz and submit the line number of the file with a
description of what is wrong and why.
I would say that I as a developer would be much quicker with the second
kind of information. I'm talking about many very obvious silly bugs that
you see when someone points you at. the hard and tedious(==time and
resource consuming) part is nailing it down. not understanding it when
someone points you to that. of course there would be bullsh*t bugreports
also but that's also the case without source. parallel development doesn't
scale well but parallel debugging scales extremely well (linux, apache
being the best example). it's many people stressing the software being
curious enough to dive into the code to do work (find bugs) that would
otherwise have to be done by evermind. people (mostly highly qualified
techies) work for you for free to get a stable and mature product.
>On the other hand, for the original poster..I don't think you'll find a
>better Servlet/JSP engine, in terms of performance anyways. I think Orion
>has one of the fastest most stable web server engines around.
that one I would have to agree with.
robert
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