Simply great Hitesh! I hope that settles it. Now let's get on with the business (JSPs, Servlets, EJBs etc.) at hand. Paul >From: Hitesh Jasani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: to boldly go where no man has gone before (long) >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:51:13 -0500 > >See comments below .... > > >Hani Suleiman wrote: > > > Wellllll.... > > > > <flameproofsuit> > > My native language isn't English either, but this IS an English mailing > > list, isn't it? I think it's reasonable that if someone requests help, > > they should at least be able to express their problem coherently. >They're > > > >Yes, absolutely. They should be able to clearly articulate their issues, >details on their hardware setup, versions of all relevent software (OS, >system >software, user programs) running on their system (including patch levels, >etc.). If they haven't detailed all of this in their request, then they >are >wasting my time since I will have to then query them for this information >piecemeal. > > > very unlikely to get help if nobody can understand the problem to start > > with! Mind you, the ejb-interest list really gets >some.....'interestingly > > > >In addition, they should be up to date on all of the relevant >specifications >related to Java2, EJB 1.1 & 2.0, Servlets, Security, Http, XML, etc. If >they >don't have the time to read through these specs and be literate, then I >don't >have time to answer any of their questions. > > > worded' posts and it really does lower the overall quality, IMHO (or at > > least, it's quite an annoyance). Thankfully enough vendors pipe in to > > > >I wholeheartedly agree .... we should take them out back and flog them >publicly. > > > > >[Flip sarcasm switch to off] > >Okay, while I was being sarcastic up above, there is some truth to the fact >that >when people describe problems on this list it helps if they are literate in >English, explain their hardware/software set up and have some knowledge >about >the area (EJB, servlets, jsp, etc.) they're having problems. It seems to >me >that you've arbitrarily chosen to set the barrier to entry at the level of >English literacy. Ie. if they're not fluent in English they are an >annoyance to >you and you don't want to waste your time in answering their questions. >Well, >what about those who would say that your bar is set too low? Some people >would >say that answering a question is not worthwhile unless you've already read >the >specifications/manuals/sample code/documents multiple times. > >Setting a bar that high would make this list more efficient ... but not a >place >that I would want to frequent. We're not perfect. By the grace of God, I >and >the Internet happened to grow up with English as our primary language. But >while I struggle to learn a new language, the Internet is soaking up tons >of new >languages every day. I can already see the writing on the wall as search >engine >queries routinely turn up pages in languages other than English. It won't >be >long before I may have to be subscribed to a non-English resource and I'll >then >have to struggle to translate my questions into a language foreign to me. > >When that day comes, I hope there are people on the list who are more >understanding than yourself. The point of this list is that people are >able to >ask questions and provide responses. If you don't want to answer any >questions, >simply ignore those messages. But don't look down at those who aren't as >fluent >in English as yourself ..... unless you yourself wish to be judged. > >People on this list have varying levels of fluency in English, Java, EJB, >http, >etc. I applaud everyone who is trying to better themselves by expanding >their >horizons in any and all of these areas. > >Life is simple: Lead and help others, follow and learn or just get out of >the >way. > >Hitesh > > > > [snip] > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
