Cliff:
I have been on this list for several months, and I have found the list police,
helpful, and useful. The only time I have seen this list react negatively is in a
defensive stance, where some user has started a non polite stance. For example,
someone once asked how they can get off this &%$#@!&*( list, which would certainly
provoke a negative reaction. Most people on a list like the product, and are there to
help, both newcomers and experts alike. Most lists, whether Orion, Jboss, Tomcat,
Apache, Mysql, Postgresql, Jonas, Python, etc., usually strive to be polite and
helpful, but nobody is being paid to do so.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:23 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Last posting
Cliff, being cynical... it doesn't matter to us. If you think that a user
community is reponsible for your issues, that's great! You're in deep
trouble, and you're just going to get stuck with a less efficient
platform. No skin off of our noses - we'll have competitive advantages.
Pointless postings? We've been talking about something near and dear to
our hearts - how Orion is looking at the FUTURE, not just how it looks at
one developer who's gotten himself into a crack. Maybe the future's more
important to us than someone who landed himself in a lot of pressure. I
feel for you - sort of - in that I'm the sole provider for my family, too,
and I have the burden of making sure that the user support you bitch about
so much is, in fact, available. Do I cry? Do I whine? (Yes, but that's
irrelevant.) Do I let the positions of others affect objective
evaluation? Do I expect a set of volunteers with their own problems to pay
attention to me me me me me ME ME ME [ME] [ME] [ME DAMMIT ME]?
Grow up, dude.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Cliff Rowley wrote:
> Thankyou for making our decision for us. Orion will not be our
> choice of J2EE platform, as our evaluation has shown that its users
> are rude and obnoxious. We have decided that it would not be in our
> best interest to be associated with people of this nature.
>
> Whilst everyone is flustering over rather pointless postings (as is
> my observation over the last couple of days), real potential Orion
> customers are being turned away by its self obsessed (and somewhat
> childish) user group.
>
> I asked a question, and was ignored. It was quite obvious from my
> question that I am under a fair amount of pressure, and I had
> (wrongly) presumed that a commercial application server would have a
> reasonably professional following.
>
> Let me also point out that it was not arrogance, it was a cry for
> help. I currently close to redundancy, I have a wife who is 6 months
> pregnant, and I have a 2 year old daughter. Forgive me for appearing
> a little stressed as I try to feed and clothe them, but it was not
> something I had wished to share.
>
> But I guess you wouldnt care, seeing as you're a typical
> newsgroup/mailing list troll - we've seen you before, in various
> forms, under various names. Always the one to jump on the weak
> whenever the opportunity arises. And you have the cheek to call me
> arrogant?
>
> You're forgotten about already.
>
> . o O ( Wonders where the 'human' element dissapeared to in all of
> this - bring back the old Internet )
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike
> > Cannon-Brookes
> > Sent: 15 February 2001 01:27
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: RE: Last posting
> >
> >
> > This is one of the most arrogant postings I've ever seen on a
> > public user mailing list.
> >
> > <rant>
> > Cliff, might I profer my humblest apologies for not acknowledging
> > your post,
> > I'll make sure next time to send you an email saying that I got it.
> > Right.
> >
> > In addition, I agree that not answering YOUR query calls into
> > question the professionalism of everyone on this list.
> >
> > You are not mistaken at all. You are a fool.
> >
> > </rant>
> >
> > -mike
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cliff
> > > Rowley Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:58 AM
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: Last posting
> > >
> > >
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> > > Pardon me if I sound a little rude, but since not a single person
> > > has even acknowledged my last post, do I assume that (a) noone
> > > cares or (b) noone knows? I am very keen to get started, and
> > > very keen to evaluate the various avenues open to us, and I had
> > > expected a
> > > commercial application to have a reasonably professional
> > > following. Perhaps I was mistaken and I should look elsewhere?
> > >
> > > Cliff Rowley
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Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
